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More interesting reading in Hudgells programme notes too .

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Quote: Beverley red "If Rovers are in the mire then there will be a lot more clubs in a bad way,If the 10K crowds that Hudgel said we need to break even for us is corect & a fair few other clubs will be gone as well then who will the big boys play? We need the derby match & I expect that our freinds accross the city use the extra funds it brings to pay a few staff. I would be very interested to find out how Leeds always make a profit (now they dont get money from the cricket) as it would be the model for our clubs.'"



Even though their crowds are down a bit, like most others, they still often get over 15k to games. Plus they possibly own their stadium, iirc (which I might not). Only one team can win SL each year, which helps them and can clearly only be potentially emulated by one club at a time.

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The North stand delay costing us in the region of £750K was a mixture of lost revenue from the stand and a lost upfront contract payment from brewers/caterers if im not mistaken(as i mostly am)

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The constant supply of negative information is just softening you up for when NH and RC leave. They don't want to be cast as villains like the guys at Bulls etc
It's a bit like the Weapons of Mass destruction stories in Iraq before we invaded (made up to fool a world).

My money is on a joint venture with AP as in a Merger

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No prospect of profits - I agree

Chances of silverware - NIL by mouth'"


Enough of your club, we are talking about Rovers here....

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Quote: Tarquin Fuego "The constant supply of negative information is just softening you up for when NH and RC leave. They don't want to be cast as villains like the guys at Bulls etc
It's a bit like the Weapons of Mass destruction stories in Iraq before we invaded (made up to fool a world).

My money is on a joint venture with AP as in a Merger'"



They won't fund us beyond this season (at least alone) - it is out in the open. icon_confused.gif

The Bulls were run into the ground and left with nowhere to go, their fans and the game at large misled. We know where we stand.

I'm not seeing any obvious paralells with WMD situation.

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Quote: Mild Rover "I'm not seeing any obvious paralells with WMD situation.'"


Could that be because it's a completely idiotic analogy?

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Something doesn't add up here, Smith is pleading poverty but taking more new players on loan when you have Caro unutilised.

£750k upfront relating to a 12 month period represents £58k per match day. Catering profit margin of 10% would mean £580k income per match day just for the investment to wash its face, so every punter would need to spend £58 each every game. I'm blagging it, of course, but struggle to see Rovers attracting investment of this size to win a contract for pies and lager for 13 afternoons. In any case, if it were so certain, it would simply be deferred for a few months rather than lost altogether. I guess it will be part of the negotiation and an attractive carrot for the next owner to receive a golden hello of this size. The derby gate thing is small fry in this context. A sellout would yield max £47k.

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Quote: Mrs Barista "Something doesn't add up here, Smith is pleading poverty but taking more new players on loan when you have Caro unutilised.

£750k upfront relating to a 12 month period represents £58k per match day. Catering profit margin of 10% would mean £580k income per match day just for the investment to wash its face, so every punter would need to spend £58 each every game. I'm blagging it, of course, but struggle to see Rovers attracting investment of this size to win a contract for pies and lager for 13 afternoons. In any case, if it were so certain, it would simply be deferred for a few months rather than lost altogether. I guess it will be part of the negotiation and an attractive carrot for the next owner to receive a golden hello of this size. The derby gate thing is small fry in this context. A sellout would yield max £47k.'"



It won't relate to a 12 month period. It is a cashflow issue rather than a per annum P&L deal. We're not pleading poverty, we're saying we want/need to structure the club differently after this year - one way or another. I know the internet is great for conspiracy theories, but when what is out there makes perfect rational sense, the 'as stated alternative' has to be the default. it is exactly what it looks like, imo.

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Quote: Mild Rover "It won't relate to a 12 month period. It is a cashflow issue rather than a per annum P&L deal. We're not pleading poverty, we're saying we want/need to structure the club differently after this year - one way or another. I know the internet is great for conspiracy theories, but when what is out there makes perfect rational sense, the 'as stated alternative' has to be the default. it is exactly what it looks like, imo.'"


The £750k loss on the delay in the north stand, is at best, an AUP 1.2, libel. I would love someone to prove how this is calculated.

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Quote: hull smallears "The £750k loss on the delay in the north stand, is at best, an AUP 1.2, libel. I would love someone to prove how this is calculated.'"



At worst it is spin. From what I recollect, it was something like £250k in [iprojected[/i revenue and a large one-off lump sum for a (presumably long-term) brewery/catering deal. It is an estimate and it combines both a firm (and major) cashflow blow and a less solid, in terms of scale, loss of revenue.
I've given up on expecting any sort of rigour on these sorts of things - people can line numbers up to tell any story they like, so they do. Pick holes in it, if you wish (in moderation icon_smile.gif ) so long as you're aware it isn't just 'us' that does this.

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Quote: Sandra The Terrorist "Could that be because it's a completely idiotic analogy?'"

Looking at the author is that surprising?

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Quote: Anakin Skywalker "Looking at the author is that surprising?'"

one answer ban the author please

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Quote: Jake the Peg "rlmike smith's view of thingsrl

I understand tony robinson is doing a "world's worst jobs" special on being mike smith's PA'"



......and perhaps your English teacher .

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Quote: Mild Rover "At worst it is spin. From what I recollect, it was something like £250k in [iprojected[/i revenue and a large one-off lump sum for a (presumably long-term) brewery/catering deal. It is an estimate and it combines both a firm (and major) cashflow blow and a less solid, in terms of scale, loss of revenue.
I've given up on expecting any sort of rigour on these sorts of things - people can line numbers up to tell any story they like, so they do. Pick holes in it, if you wish (in moderation
Spin? I imagine that this politicians version is alright then. Well providing people don't always believe spin (and yes it is not just you) then all is well with the world.

On the basis of spin, and the spin that noone from Rovers knew anything about the stand being blue, crooked, under provided with amenities etc et, I would imagine some of this spin money, will be spinning its way back into Rovers coffers?
When Rovers possibly spin into Adspinistration, what will happen to the loss? Maybe you could spin it as rugby related losses" or something like.

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