Quote: Mild Rover "I'd agree with that. Crowds have stagnated, but have done so at close to capacity of the best bits of the ground. The further extension of the East Stand will provide 'more' and the new North Stand would provide 'better'. That would represent a very positive result IMO. I definately see the arguments about the principle of public 'gifts' to private companies, but as rival RL clubs have benefitted, and with altruism so rarely trumping self interest, Rovers would be very unwise to make themselves the exception.'" I thought attendances had stagnated, but oddly the club's official literature paints a different picture of continued growth to an average SL attendance of 9,000 in 2009, an increase of 500. The 2007 number (7,157) and 2008 number (8,554) are as per this link www.slstats.org/t15/Hull+Kingston+Rovers/ but the 2009 number in the brochure (Page 11) is unrecognisable: www.hullkr.co.uk/_clientdocs/%20 ... Visual.pdf

Quote: Mild Rover "I'd agree with that. Crowds have stagnated, but have done so at close to capacity of the best bits of the ground. The further extension of the East Stand will provide 'more' and the new North Stand would provide 'better'. That would represent a very positive result IMO. I definately see the arguments about the principle of public 'gifts' to private companies, but as rival RL clubs have benefitted, and with altruism so rarely trumping self interest, Rovers would be very unwise to make themselves the exception.'" I thought attendances had stagnated, but oddly the club's official literature paints a different picture of continued growth to an average SL attendance of 9,000 in 2009, an increase of 500. The 2007 number (7,157) and 2008 number (8,554) are as per this link www.slstats.org/t15/Hull+Kingston+Rovers/ but the 2009 number in the brochure (Page 11) is unrecognisable: www.hullkr.co.uk/_clientdocs/%20 ... Visual.pdf

More chance of me landing on Mars.

As Im the topic of conversation on here......would just like to say we are petitioning for ground improvements for our beloved club......Im very proud of what we have achieved and will continue to work hard for our cause!

I have had a very long day amidst a media frenzy....well almost so I shall retire now safe in the knowledge that i got off my backside along with my father-in-law fought for something we believe in!

So its good night from him....and its good night from me

Well done to those who are campaigning and got some good media coverage that has put this in the debating circle.

Ground improvements are the way to go, a new stadium would have no chance of getting off the ground and funding would be almost impossible to justify. The wider public would have the view that we should just move in the KC and save the cash.

IF there was a business case that allowed the council to invest in the north stand plans that showed a return on investment for them. (offices, community development, education etc..) then I think this becomes viable. I personally don't think the council should just hand rovers the cash, the climate of todays politics just wouldn't allow it. This has to be handled on a business basis then it might be a goer.

As some have said, Rovers don't need a new stadium. What they should be doing is what they have been doing, and that's upgrading Craven Park.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but over the last 5 years or so they've extended the East Stand, bought new floodlights, brought in the golf stand and sorted out the pitch. That's way way more than Wakefield, Castleford, Salford and Bradford have done in that time.

It's completely the wrong time to be asking for handouts. Also, I think a point is being missed regarding the KC - it's making money for the council! If the council were to give money to a private organisation, they have to be getting something back - not necessary money, but perhaps healthcare or educational facilities.

The point about the KC stadium being a money spinner for the council strikes me as a bit disingenuous. When will the council start to see a profit on their initial 40-odd million pound investment? To Baristarize you - was there a compelling business case?
I'm not sure there is a bad time for the local community to request spending - there may well be better and worse times to get it though.
Otherwise, I agree.

Asking the Council to help a business increase their profits by handing them millions of tax payers money? Yep, well thought through campaign this.

I wonder if the guy who owns Moby Dicks is considering asking for a brand new state of the art restaurant in order to compete with his much bigger rival Bob Carver?

Surely if business can go to the Council and demand hand outs to help them put right years of bad management then Mr Dick has as good a case as Rovers.

Why can none of these thick prats who signed the petition see that HKR is a business, not a public service. Why would thousands of tax payers want their money funding a stadium for a club that very few of them care about? It is a no brainer. Either move into the KC or pay for your own improvements, Hull is not big enough to need 2 stadiums.

If they need a loan to build a new ground then surely the gnome has some contacts he could call upon now he has gone global (well Leeds)?

Can I point out that the people moaning that there is a recession, police cuts, health cuts etc etc. The funding for sports and entertainment comes from a different sector. Build or not, the police still get cut, the health services still get cut etc etc.

The ones to blame for the police cuts and others are the short sighted people who voted Labour out by voting Conservative or particularly the ones that chose to sit on the fence with the Libs, who in all fairness haven't a clue about running a country.

If they were spinning it like that, then I'd agree it'd be foolish. But they have stressed the community aspect of things. Council's and local authorities the world over have been effectively subsidizing private sports clubs for a long time - from Real Madrid downwards. It is ultimately a political, not a business choice.

Remember as well (how could you forget?!), that Rovers need to cut their losses before they increase their profits - it isn't like some fat cat will be making tons of cash from the much-loved local treasure that is Hull KR, in the forseeable.

Tbh, if it comes down to a choice between playing at the KC and becoming a community-club in the Championships, I'd look at the former - but how many sports stadia host 3 senior clubs? Offering to help out at CP, in return for their own facilities, maybe a share of rent/income and a community commitment (share with an amateur RL club, or a RU one perhaps), has got to be a decent option for the council, if the price is right.

To some extent, I think the option of a switch to the KC is worth leaving open for now. Hull fans, who'll form a political counterweight to this campaign, don't want Rovers moving in, I suspect. If that is the alternative way to secure a SL licence long-term, this might seem more palatable to them - as it is for Rovers, and everyone is happy.

I think it's one we keep in the back pocket if ultimately we don't get the funding.

Absolutely.

a typically naive and shortsighted view as expressed by most that support one side or another.

well not to burst your bubble but can you tell me how many stadiums are already in hull?
now do think long and hard on this one
i know of 3 at the very least at this present moment in time... how many can you come up with.

Goodness, what massive trousers you have, even bigger than the Big Stinky Dishcloth, sorry, I mean the lovely big Sporting Bet shirt

Are we including Subbuteo?

no but i will include lego and mechano etc