I agree but the RFL get what they want I suppose.

Fair point but we would add another another 1,000+ season ticket holders because many folk don't want to get a season ticket for the golf stand and the well is sold out as well.

Get the East Stand extention done and the East Stand finished and then the club can focus their energies on providing better facilities for the away support.

Powers' original assessment is here: www.skysports.com/tv_show/story/ ... 74,00.html On that basis you'd easily get a B with ground extension. The solvency one is interesting. Since (nearly) all clubs are loss-making, I'd guess this will be a relative financial measure. Can't remember whether Saints, for example, got the solvency point or not, as they continually make losses of c£400k each year, but their hand is strengthened by the fact they own their own ground and therefore have an asset valued at £8m. This is the RFL though, and I don't know whether they've declared the criteria for the next round of assessments. I think there will be something on youth development as this was one of the clearly stated objectives of introducing licensing, so there should be some measure included.

Powers' original assessment is here: www.skysports.com/tv_show/story/ ... 74,00.html On that basis you'd easily get a B with ground extension. The solvency one is interesting. Since (nearly) all clubs are loss-making, I'd guess this will be a relative financial measure. Can't remember whether Saints, for example, got the solvency point or not, as they continually make losses of c£400k each year, but their hand is strengthened by the fact they own their own ground and therefore have an asset valued at £8m. This is the RFL though, and I don't know whether they've declared the criteria for the next round of assessments. I think there will be something on youth development as this was one of the clearly stated objectives of introducing licensing, so there should be some measure included.

Why? there are academy quotas in place now where as there weren't before so I expect it to either be done away with or every team will get a point for it.

Widnes chairman said only last month "We now understand what we need to do to get a licence. We are determined to have all the boxes ticked next time." He added: "We recognise there were financial shortfalls in the previous administration, so we needed to satisfy the financial security of the club. We also recognised that our policies around youth development needed to be improve and we needed to be bringing more young players through our system." So from his discussions with the RFL on Widnes' chances next time, it sounds like youth development is still on the criteria list.

The point on youth development was assessed on the basis not only of the number of homegrown players in the squad but the club's policy and practices. The license reviews were very detailed last time, using qualitative inputs rather than a simple numbers checklist. I'd be surprised if they abandon a review of homegrown player development practices and simply count the number of academy players "promoted" to the first team squad instead. But you never know with the RFL.

The 1 point that has me scratching my head is what does 'Contribution to the competition' mean?
It cant be for Final League positions as that is already covered, Ditto to youth development and Stadia as well.
Would both Hull teams get a point as they add a true same city derby even though that flies in the face of them both dropping of a point for being to close to each other?

Contribution to the competition is average league placing.

I thought they were 2 seperate points?
If not what are the full 10 as I was trying to work it out at work and if you are right I could think of only 9.

I have
1. Contribution To the Comp (Average placings?)
2. Solvency
3. $4M+ Turnover
4. No Cap breaches
5. +12K(?) Stadium
6. World Class Stadium
7. % Of stadium capacity
8. Youth Players
9. No other SL club in 60 miles
10. Average placings?

Quote: Roverswall "I have 1. Contribution To the Comp (Average placings?) 2. Solvency 3. $4M+ Turnover 4. No Cap breaches 5. +12K(?) Stadium 6. World Class Stadium 7. % Of stadium capacity 8. Youth Players 9. No other SL club in 60 miles 10. Average placings?'" You're missing average attendance over 10k. Also, I doubt the salary cap breaches point will be in the next round of criteria due to the live nature of the cap now - it's not a differentiator. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80 ... e_licences

Quote: Roverswall "I have 1. Contribution To the Comp (Average placings?) 2. Solvency 3. $4M+ Turnover 4. No Cap breaches 5. +12K(?) Stadium 6. World Class Stadium 7. % Of stadium capacity 8. Youth Players 9. No other SL club in 60 miles 10. Average placings?'" You're missing average attendance over 10k. Also, I doubt the salary cap breaches point will be in the next round of criteria due to the live nature of the cap now - it's not a differentiator. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80 ... e_licences

Wasn't there something about the average attendance percentage of the full stadium capacity?

Yes mate 60% I think.

JUST TAKEN THIS OFF WIPEDIA



Licence criteria
Stage two of the licence decision process saw the clubs allocated the points used to decide licence grades according to their strength in several areas.[5]


Facilities
Teams will get one point for having a stadium with a capacity of 12,000 or more. Another point will be awarded if the ground meets the standards of a premier competition in the 21st century.[9]


Attendances
A point will be awarded to clubs with an average attendance of around 10,000 spectators. Another point will be awarded if stadiums are operating at 40 per cent capacity.[9]

Finances
Teams will receive a point if they are solvent. Another point will be awarded if their turnover is more than £4 million.[9]


Player strength
Teams earn one point if they are considered to have made a contribution to the competition - that means averaging a place in the top eight over each of the last three seasons. Another point is available to clubs who make a contribution to home-grown player development. That means at least eight members of a first-team squad of 25 should be discovered, trained and developed in the team's home country (United Kingdom or France).[9]


Salary cap
One point is on offer to teams who have not committed a major breach of the salary cap in the last three seasons.[9]


Geographical expansion
The final point goes to clubs who do not have another rugby league club within a 20-mile radius.[9]


Total score
The scores attained by each club (out of ten) are translated into a Licence grading.

8 or more points - A licence
5-7 points - B licence
4 points or less - C licence
Sky Sports report that it is believed teams who achieve an A or B Licence will be awarded a place in Super League, while those who achieve a C Licence will undergo further scrutiny before the RFL decide who makes the final cut.[9]