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84% of all stats are made up

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Its actually 86% according to FHGJ

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good luck too both Briscoes,(Briscoe showed up well against Wales, Fox didnt IMO) hopefully theyll both do well and England will get off to a good start.
would like to have seen Tomkins playing thou tbh.

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Agree with most things said about Fox and Tom Briscoe but in my opinion they've both got a long way to go to match the standard of a fit Raynor from one or two years ago, he was a superb performer on the half chance and matched it in defence, had he been in that sort of form lately, the injuries haven't helped of course, he would have still been the obvious choice, in my opinion of course !

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Quote: fcexpat "Agree with most things said about Fox and Tom Briscoe but in my opinion they've both got a long way to go to match the standard of a fit Raynor from one or two years ago, he was a superb performer on the half chance and matched it in defence, had he been in that sort of form lately, the injuries haven't helped of course, he would have still been the obvious choice, in my opinion of course !'"



I agree about"the crab" he would be a shoe in on past form.
but it's not about the past.
Foxy has been [along with Hall]the most consistent winger of this season .[ok that is the past for the pedants] T.S. has imho made a big mistake in putting a young player with massive potential in at the deep end ,his confidence could be shot to pieces especially if he has a good game tonight and is pitched in against the two teams that will target that naivety.
I hope i am wrong because talent like he undoubtedly is should be nurtured.

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The best winger on the pitch last night was Pelo (even though Hall scored a great length of the field try) and a higher rate of mobility and work-rate from the wings will be needed.

The closest player/winger (in terms of style) England have to Pelo is Fox and I'd definitely play him against the Aussies & Kiwis even though he's been in poor form for a long while.

Tom Briscoe is a really strong, solid unit who I'd play in the centre in years to come. I even think he may end up playing second-row a few years down the line because he doesn't get shifted in the tackle.

Smith picking Myler above Tomkins was absolutely criminal cos Myler cannot control a game. I'd move Sinfield into the halves with McGuire and use an extra prop at loose-man.

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Quote: General Zod. "The best winger on the pitch last night was Pelo (even though Hall scored a great length of the field try) and a higher rate of mobility and work-rate from the wings will be needed.

The closest player/winger (in terms of style) England have to Pelo is Fox and I'd definitely play him against the Aussies & Kiwis even though he's been in poor form for a long while.

Tom Briscoe is a really strong, solid unit who I'd play in the centre in years to come. I even think he may end up playing second-row a few years down the line because he doesn't get shifted in the tackle.

Smith picking Myler above Tomkins was absolutely criminal cos Myler cannot control a game. I'd move Sinfield into the halves with McGuire and use an extra prop at loose-man.'"


Not a bad idea that although I'd also lose McGuire, his kicking was awful at times last night and there's no way the Aussies and Kiwi's will let him get away with his usual mince across the line and then wang a speculative pass out hoping his centre will make something of it.

Sinfield at 6, his job is solely to organise and run the kicking game. Eastmond at 7, take on and break the line.
Burgess to loose.
Lose Westwood, just not good enough.
Bring in Carvell and Crabtree.
Basic game plan is to attempt to make it a forward dominated battle, it's pointless trying to take on either backline.
We'll still lose, but we shouldn't take an absolute hiding.

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Quote: pmh "Not a bad idea that although I'd also lose McGuire, his kicking was awful at times last night and there's no way the Aussies and Kiwi's will let him get away with his usual mince across the line and then wang a speculative pass out hoping his centre will make something of it.

Sinfield at 6, his job is solely to organise and run the kicking game. Eastmond at 7, take on and break the line.
Burgess to loose.
Lose Westwood, just not good enough.
Bring in Carvell and Crabtree.
Basic game plan is to attempt to make it a forward dominated battle, it's pointless trying to take on either backline.
We'll still lose, but we shouldn't take an absolute hiding.'"


Couldn`t agree more mate..he seemed clueless.

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Quote: pmh "Not a bad idea that although I'd also lose McGuire, his kicking was awful at times last night and there's no way the Aussies and Kiwi's will let him get away with his usual mince across the line and then wang a speculative pass out hoping his centre will make something of it.

Sinfield at 6, his job is solely to organise and run the kicking game. Eastmond at 7, take on and break the line.
Burgess to loose.
Lose Westwood, just not good enough.
Bring in Carvell and Crabtree.
Basic game plan is to attempt to make it a forward dominated battle, it's pointless trying to take on either backline.
We'll still lose, but we shouldn't take an absolute hiding.'"
How can this year's stand out prop not be played?

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Quote: Pudsey Robin "How can this year's stand out prop not be played?'"


Especially when we needed to match a bit of France's size. I;d have had crabtree in the back row instead of westwood who just looks out of his depth.

I'd definately have Crabtree and Carvell on the bench for the next game.

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5. Hall
6. Tomkins
7. Myler
8. Morley
9. Moore
10. Graham
11. Peacock
12. Burgess
13. Sinfield

14. Roby
15. Ellis
16. Carvell
17. Crabtree'"


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It would be suicide to have Eastmond, Tompkins and Myler all in the same backline against the Aussies.

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Quote: R.B.A "It would be suicide to have Eastmond, Tompkins and Myler all in the same backline against the Aussies.'"


Why?

Myler will play. Mcguire probably will but i'd choose Tomkins, both are equally weak in defence.

Eastmond has shown that he can play centre and do very special things for saints, defensively he may get found out but then so might any other centre we have. Wouldnt you chance your arm and go for the flair players?

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Quote: Big Dave T "Why?

Myler will play. Mcguire probably will but i'd choose Tomkins, both are equally weak in defence.

Eastmond has shown that he can play centre and do very special things for saints, defensively he may get found out but then so might any other centre we have. Wouldnt you chance your arm and go for the flair players?'"


I wouldnt play Myler and Tomkins together at half back against the Aussies but I would find a place for Eastmond without a shadow of a doubt.

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Quote: knocker norton "I wouldnt play Myler and Tomkins together at half back against the Aussies but I would find a place for Eastmond without a shadow of a doubt.'"


Mcguire has pretty much under performed his entire international career and Myler is going to be 7. I wouldnt see an issue with playing Tomkins, he has something special.

Only other option i guess would be to alter the team i said and play Sinfield at 6 and bring Ellis off the bench to 13.

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