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| Quote: Digger_the_Dog "What part of my post do you think is silly?'"
Well this wasn't great
after i had written this
So can everyone, please take this as a final warning? Rhetorical question.
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| Quote: retro_muz "Look, Hull FC, Hull City, the West Hull community….. whatever, have facilities that at the time cost 40+ million to build and the funds came from lots of clean cut profit the council made from the King Comms share boom.
Why can’t HKR and its surrounding East Hull community have what would essentially be a tiny amount in comparison of that profit thrown at them to build a new North Stand with facilities similar to the KC only on a much smaller scale?
I'm sure they could come to some kind of arrangement where by the council sees a return on its investment.
Its not irrelevant to people who don’t live in its location.'"
Preston Road got 56 million through NDC and East Park has had just had over 10 million I believe on it's transformation. East Hull gets it's share.
Phil Webbo would probably of been in his element here as a poster but I assume his return to Form as a Branshplme Councillor means he is now verbally shackled.
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| Quote: World of Redboy "For a club that is £3million plus in debt and losing upwards of £500k year, what return are the council actually going to get for it's investment. Will it be a case of selling 2015 season passes in 2012 to cover the financial shortfall of actually paying a proper rent?'"
75/50% of all takings from a new North Stands ticket sales, the percentage decreasing year on year...
100% of takings from any other facilities thrown into a new Stand and which are ran by the council...
The Hull City Council would be helping out a club from Hull, supported by residents from Hull and improving an area of Hull, its not like the money would be going abroad or wasted on something that wouldn't be used.
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| Quote: Digby "Preston Road got 56 million through NDC and East Park has had just had over 10 million I believe on it's transformation. East Hull gets it's share.
Phil Webbo would probably of been in his element here as a poster but I assume his return to Form as a Branshplme Councillor means he is now verbally shackled.'"
I don’t know what gets spent and where but you’re absolutely right East Hull does get its fair share, my post you’ve quoted maybe sounds like I’m stood caressing a violin on behalf of East Hull, I’m not.
At the end of the day it goes back to the petition the Rovers fan group submitted asking for a slice of the King Comms profit to improve Craven Park, profit which Hull City & FC have done well from. (which is great)
FC fans: ‘Well Rovers had their chance to play at the KC’
Rovers fans: ‘Never going to happen the clubs based in East Hull’
Etc etc, blah blah blah
Personally I’d be happy with a couple of million to help, I don’t expect anything like the scale of the KC/West park development and i don't think the petition is asking for that.
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| Quote: retro_muz "I don’t know what gets spent and where but you’re absolutely right East Hull does get its fair share, my post you’ve quoted maybe sounds like I’m stood caressing a violin on behalf of East Hull, I’m not.
At the end of the day it goes back to the petition the Rovers fan group submitted asking for a slice of the King Comms profit to improve Craven Park, profit which Hull City & FC have done well from. (which is great)
FC fans
Would you agree that rovers should start to pay proper rent on the stadium if the council do dip their hands into their pocket?
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| Quote: retro_muz "I don’t know what gets spent and where but you’re absolutely right East Hull does get its fair share, my post you’ve quoted maybe sounds like I’m stood caressing a violin on behalf of East Hull, I’m not.
At the end of the day it goes back to the petition the Rovers fan group submitted asking for a slice of the King Comms profit to improve Craven Park, profit which Hull City & FC have done well from. (which is great)
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Fair enough. But would you be happy for the return of that investment to mean sharing CP with another sports team and paying a hefty rent as you become a "tenant" ?
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| Quote: Robbo4 "Some of the more sensible posters on here appear to be banging their head against a brick wall. Some Rovers fans will never be convinced of anything other than the council literally threw £43 million quid at Hull FC to build themselves a nice shiney new stadium anywhere they wanted and which they could use free of charge. No way in hell was there a whole consultation process with several possible sites considered and the best possible site chosen based on things like transport links. No Sireeeee it was all down to Hull FC demanding the council build them a stadium and only in the exact position they want. In fact I can exclusively reveal that the ONLY reason the stadium was built was so that Hull FC could get one over on Rovers. Fact.
Is it time to take the p1$$ out of FC for being tennants and having a really unfavourable rent agreement whilst pointing out we dont even own our stadium and football rule the roost yet?'"
Imperfect as it is, I think this compares pretty favourably with its less than impartial 'Rovers get the begging bowl out' cousin.
The above is a straw man, IMO - I don't think anybody has written anything like that. The KC is what it is and nobody is trying to change that. Without having to exaggerate their extent, we can see clearly that it has offered Hull FC great benefits. Hull KR would like to benefit in a similar way, albeit on a much smaller scale - which is natural enough. There may be economic and political arguments against the council helping to improve CP - but it very difficult to see any legitimate moral objection to Rovers , or their fans, asking.
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "Would you agree that rovers should start to pay proper rent on the stadium if the council do dip their hands into their pocket?'"
If the council invest in a new North stand then yes i'd expect them to take rent (on the North stand) or a cut of profits made. I mentioned it earlier they could take 75% of all takings to begin with and then perhaps decrease this to 50% as the money is repaid, or something along those lines...?
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "Would you agree that rovers should start to pay proper rent on the stadium if the council do dip their hands into their pocket?'"
Quote: Jake the Peg "Fair enough. But would you be happy for the return of that investment to mean sharing CP with another sports team and paying a hefty rent as you become a "tenant" ?'"
A deal structured on similar principles to FC's at the KC would seem fair, based on the extent of the investment. And sharing with an amateur RL team or one of the RU teams would be fine by me.
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| Quote: Digby "Fair enough. But would you be happy for the return of that investment to mean sharing CP with another sports team and paying a hefty rent as you become a "tenant" ?'"
I wouldn't expect the council to simply gift Rovers a North Stand, rent or return on the investment would have to be arranged.
I don't really know where you're coming from regarding sharing CP.
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| Quote: retro_muz "If the council invest in a new North stand then yes i'd expect them to take rent (on the North stand) or a cut of profits made. I mentioned it earlier they could take 75% of all takings to begin with and then perhaps decrease this to 50% as the money is repaid, or something along those lines...?'"
It's too open to abuse. Just a commercial rent on the place I would have said. Somewhere in the region of £200k p.a. which is probably about 1/3 of what Hull pay to use the KC, plus rovers make more from the bars etc
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| Quote: Mild Rover "A deal structured on similar principles to FC's at the KC would seem fair, based on the extent of the investment. And sharing with an amateur RL team or one of the RU teams would be fine by me.'"
speedway or greyhounds would be the most commercially viable
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| Quote: retro_muz "I wouldn't expect the council to simply gift Rovers a North Stand, rent or return on the investment would have to be arranged.
I don't really know where you're coming from regarding sharing CP.'"
I think he means a shared facility thus maximising income for the council as owner of the stadium as is the case at the KC
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "It's too open to abuse. Just a commercial rent on the place I would have said. Somewhere in the region of £200k p.a. which is probably about 1/3 of what Hull pay to use the KC, plus rovers make more from the bars etc'"
Deal...... so when we getting started?
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| Quote: retro_muz "Deal...... so when we getting started?
Send me the 200 grand and I'll send the brickies round
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