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| Quote very red robin="very red robin"Ok as everyone suggests that the youth of today dont really give two hoots - how about bringing back Compulsory National Service?
Get them beasted and putting into line.'"
why would other soilders who join for a career want to work with some people who dont want to be there?
it was hard enough when one person who was due a detachment went sick because somebody else who isn't expecting it has to cover them. ive know blokes miss there childs first birthday, aniversary and even have to cancel holidays.
people who dont want to be there would go sick or awol all the time.
and thats before we take in the places were they have to be professional and well trained because their and the people they work with lifes depend on it. |
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| Quote Sheldon="Sheldon"why would other soilders who join for a career want to work with some people who dont want to be there?
it was hard enough when one person who was due a detachment went sick because somebody else who isn't expecting it has to cover them. ive know blokes miss there childs first birthday, aniversary and even have to cancel holidays.
people who dont want to be there would go sick or awol all the time.
and thats before we take in the places were they have to be professional and well trained because their and the people they work with lifes depend on it.'"
I was thinking more the lines of Front Line cannon fodder to be honest... then send in the real troops after theyve gone in.
And i know ahell of a lot of people in the forces that would welcome it, and i know this because ive only been out for 2 years. |
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| Quote barham red="barham red"I would of thought if the death penalty came back then more people would get off with crimes as Jury's would be more inclined to return a not guilty plea due to the weight of responsibility paced upon them.
I personally feel the dath penalty is barbaric in this day and age and realistically it woud not prevent the most heinous crimes from being committed. It may stop the odd money motivated crime, shooting during armed robbery etc but in all likelihood the perpetrators of such crimes will never think of the consequences prior to committing them.
The real issue with the criminal justice system in this country is the inabilty to deal with and the inconsistency that 'petty' / less serious crimes are dealt with. The antisocial behavior and lack of respect for the police of a large element of our society seems to have is the real problem with todays society. For all the death penaly worthy crimes are abhorent they are also very isolated and in reality are not the crimes that affect us most.
Having said all of this if it was one of my own kileed / raped then i no doubt would change my point of view but I guess that is why we should let people a bit more detatched and impartial make a decision on this. The outcome of a referendum would be decided on by the Murdoch empire and how they decided it should go.'"
This fella know's his onions.
I think that's a very interesting point you make about the likely hood of jury's failing to convict, impossible to prove but I do think there's something in it.
Having the death penalty doesn't appear to have done a real lot to put murderers in Texas and other US states off.
As to DNA, there's a real danger in viewing it as an all knowing panancea for justice. Yes, it is a very valuable tool, 100% reliable, not at all. |
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| Quote very red robin="very red robin"Ok as everyone suggests that the youth of today dont really give two hoots - how about bringing back Compulsory National Service?
Get them beasted and putting into line.'"
Problem with that is you tar all with the same brush, and as has been said it devalues great work the armed forces do and the people in them.
The way to deal with it is to punish people properly, not let them get away with the first 10 offences, scrap Asbo's as they don;t work, stop suspending sentences and make prisons a hard labour place to be. 5 years minimum for carrying a knife, 10 years for a gun. Police the benefit system properly and make parents control their kids froma young age. |
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| Quote barham red="barham red"Problem with that is you tar all with the same brush, and as has been said it devalues great work the armed forces do and the people in them.
The way to deal with it is to punish people properly, not let them get away with the first 10 offences, scrap Asbo's as they don;t work, stop suspending sentences and make prisons a hard labour place to be. 5 years minimum for carrying a knife, 10 years for a gun. Police the benefit system properly and make parents control their kids froma young age.'"
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| Quote R.B.A="R.B.A"Didnt watch the programme but anybody found guilty of serious offences against children should be sentanced to death.'"
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As a new father, if any pervert touched my son they wouldn't get the chance to hang them, I'd do it myself. Paedophiles don't deserve to breathe the same air as the rest of us and yes they should be hung.
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as much as paedophiles and rapist turn my stomach i don’t think i could agree to the death sentence, if you kill someone for killing someone it makes you a hypocrite really.
the problem with the death sentence is that it is just about revenge really, but as the other post says i guess i would feel a lot different if i happened to me or mine.
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So who gets to decide who lives and who dies?
Who is so perfect in their judgement and behaviour that they can make such a decision? Politicians maybe?
As we all know, no such person exists.
You may think Gary Glitter and people like him should lose their lives. But maybe the person who gets to decide doesn't like you much either.
Stalin executed 20 million people and thought he was completely right to do so. Back then he was the one who got to decide.
No man has the right to take the life of another even when it is done in the name of the state. IMO.
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| Quote His Bobness="His Bobness":32vozerjSo who gets to decide who lives and who dies?
Who is so perfect in their judgement and behaviour that they can make such a decision? Politicians maybe?
As we all know, no such person exists.
You may think Gary Glitter and people like him should lose their lives. But maybe the person who gets to decide doesn't like you much either.
Stalin executed 20 million people and thought he was completely right to do so. Back then he was the one who got to decide.
:32vozerjNo man has the right to take the life of another even when it is done in the name of the state:32vozerj. IMO.'" |
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| Quote very red robin="very red robin"So are you saying i and others serving/served in the forces shouldnt shoot anyone back?
And are you saying our forefathers were in the wrong when they stopped us all speaking German?'"
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| Quote Big Dave T="Big Dave T"Interesting programme, saw little bits of it but not the full thing. I'd take the 54% stat with a pinch of salt though, research has proven that people are more motivated to vote in this kind of situation if they have a strong negative feeling, the people that dont want to see a return are more likely to have not voted.'"
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