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| Quote: retro_muz "Its not irrelevant to people who don’t live in its location.'"
So you don't live in Hull then??
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| Quote: retro_muz "Look, Hull FC, Hull City, the West Hull community….. whatever, have facilities that at the time cost 40+ million to build and the funds came from lots of clean cut profit the council made from the King Comms share boom.
Why can’t HKR and its surrounding East Hull community have what would essentially be a tiny amount in comparison of that profit thrown at them to build a new North Stand with facilities similar to the KC only on a much smaller scale?
I'm sure they could come to some kind of arrangement where by the council sees a return on its investment.
Its not irrelevant to people who don’t live in its location.'"
I live in East Hull as do 1000s of other FC supporters...there are very good road links to the KC
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| Quote: Gordon Gekko "So you don't live in Hull then??'"
Quote: Gordon Gekko "I live in East Hull as do 1000s of other FC supporters...there are very good road links to the KC '"
Yes, and i can get to the KC no problem.
But surly it would be a good thing for Craven Parks local community to have similar local facilities, local not being a 30min bus journey then a 15-20min walk.
I want better facilities at Craven Park, i want a new North stand and i want the stadium to be improved, if it brings new facilities with it then even better. As far as i'm aware the petition that was put together by the Rovers fan group is asking for some cash from the profit made in the KC shares sales to help HKR achieve it.
FC fans don't want it and see it as a waste of money, Rovers fans do want it and see it as a good investment, big surprise.
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| Quote: Digger_the_Dog "Pathetic question.
Where on Holderness road would this stadium be? And if not there where exactly did all these gimps signing the petition want the KC to be built to be more central and close to transport links in order to please the Red and Whites?
Kingswood? Miles from Stations, Motorways and most of the estates in Hull.
Sutton Fields? See above.
Hedon Road? Miles away from the Station and too far away from most of the estates in Hull.
Why cant these dumb feckers see that unless you want to put it in the River Hull the stadium is as central as it could be, as well as being a 5 minute walk from the train and bus station and with excellent access to the A63.
Do you really think the Council had it in for all 500 Rovers fans when they built the stadium?'"
Pathetic response, but I didn't expect anything better from you.
You missed my point by a country mile, but never mind eh? you have an axe to grind and anywhere will do.
Rovers were struggling to pull in 1500 spectators when the KC opened its doors, a move across the city would have taken even more off that figure.
My stance on public funding for Craven Park is a matter of public record, I think its inappropriate in the current economic climate, and would be political suicide for any local council to sanction it. However, your good self and many others who keep rolling out the "you had a chance to share" bullcrap really have a poor grasp of the situation Rovers were in back in 2003. Considering the way you decry the 6,000 "bandwagoners" I would have thought your grasp of recent East Hull history would have been better. I was clearly deluded (as you are obviously).
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| Quote: Willa "Probably we started out on Holderness Road.
The fact is Holderness road was never going to happen. West park was the more logical choice. If they wanted to pick East Park and spend hundreds of millions on road links then I'm sure Hull would have been happy to move there. Afterall FC are a club from all of hull, More than half our season pass holders live east, don't you know.'"
And Rovers started of in West Hull, though I'd doubt anyone is alive to remember it (perhaps 1 or 2 of your current squad may recall them days?).
Why on earth would I know, or indeed care, where your clubs passholders live?
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| I don't live in Hull so I don't care what KUHCC do with their money, but surely no one expects that they will just hand over £millions to a rugby club that can't fund it's own expansion when it's forced with making big cost cutting decisions in the near future? Handing over wads of cash wouldn't seem sensible when they're likely to be making large scale redundancies at some.
I do, however, think that the posters who are suggesting that the council "invest" in the area may be on to something. If the council gave rovers £4m for a new stand and then rovers started paying a commercial rate for renting of the council owned facility at say £200k p.a. It would giverovers teh ability to grow their fanbase and the council a decent return of 5% p.a.
And we all know that any council or community based project in the facility would really be paying lip service to it
It's also interesting to note that the council seem unwilling to "give" land to HUll FC to build their new training facility even though the club has around £1.3m of tehir own funds to put towards it
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| Quote: Digger_the_Dog "Pathetic question.
Where on Holderness road would this stadium be? And if not there where exactly did all these gimps signing the petition want the KC to be built to be more central and close to transport links in order to please the Red and Whites?
Kingswood? Miles from Stations, Motorways and most of the estates in Hull.
Sutton Fields? See above.
Hedon Road? Miles away from the Station and too far away from most of the estates in Hull.
Why cant these dumb feckers see that unless you want to put it in the River Hull the stadium is as central as it could be, as well as being a 5 minute walk from the train and bus station and with excellent access to the A63.
Do you really think the Council had it in for all 500 Rovers fans when they built the stadium?'"
cant we start banning some of these numpties?
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| Quote: The Crown robins "cant we start banning some of these numpties?'"
What part of my post do you think is silly?
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| Quote: retro_muz "I'm sure they could come to some kind of arrangement where by the council sees a return on its investment.'"
For a club that is £3million plus in debt and losing upwards of £500k year, what return are the council actually going to get for it's investment. Will it be a case of selling 2015 season passes in 2012 to cover the financial shortfall of actually paying a proper rent?
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| Some of the more sensible posters on here appear to be banging their head against a brick wall. Some Rovers fans will never be convinced of anything other than the council literally threw £43 million quid at Hull FC to build themselves a nice shiney new stadium anywhere they wanted and which they could use free of charge. No way in hell was there a whole consultation process with several possible sites considered and the best possible site chosen based on things like transport links. No Sireeeee it was all down to Hull FC demanding the council build them a stadium and only in the exact position they want. In fact I can exclusively reveal that the ONLY reason the stadium was built was so that Hull FC could get one over on Rovers. Fact.
Is it time to take the p1$$ out of FC for being tennants and having a really unfavourable rent agreement whilst pointing out we dont even own our stadium and football rule the roost yet?
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| Quote: Robbo4 "
Is it time to take the p1$$ out of FC for being tennants and having a really unfavourable rent agreement whilst pointing out we dont even own our stadium and football rule the roost yet?'"
Costs FC hundreds of thousands to play at The Kentucky Fooky Chucky, they don't even own it and the players have to clean all The Tiggers boots on a Sunday morning.
This has come about because it was all and only Rovers fans involved in the consultation every step of the way.
There is also one of those hideous green and orange Matchwinner kits buried under the half way line that I put a Romany curse on, back when I was a Romany from Romney Marsh before I found true love with gingerspice and moved to America, which with hindsight was a poor decision as it's costing me a fortune in plane tickets as a season pass holder and shoes because of all the ones I've ruined by crying on them when she calls me a mental.
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| Quote: World of Redboy "For a club that is £3million plus in debt and losing upwards of £500k year, what return are the council actually going to get for it's investment. Will it be a case of selling 2015 season passes in 2012 to cover the financial shortfall of actually paying a proper rent?'"
Councils the length and breadth of the UK routinely offer support to businesses. The "return" they recieve is new jobs or safeguarding existing jobs and a boost to the local economy. Keeping businesses in business and paying business rates, people in employment paying rent and council tax as opposed to receiving rent allowance and benefits.
An economist might also cite the multiplier effect but I fear it would be lost on most posters who hold your stance on this argument.
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| Quote: Mild Rover "No, but there is if you have predetermined that you are using local contractors, irrespective of whether they are most suitable. You can define suitability in such a way as to make your desired outcome more likely, but this requires at least a little subtlety. What you can't do is come out and openly guarantee the work to local firms - as I understand it, anyway.'"
Guarantee no, because the businesses need to be able to prove competence to carry out the work, but as long as they are then there is nothing wrong with the council awarding the contracts to local companies, even if they are more expensive than an out of town business.
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| Quote: Robbo4 "Is it time to take the p1$$ out of FC for being tennants and having a really unfavourable rent agreement whilst pointing out we dont even own our stadium and football rule the roost yet?'"
80% of current rovers fans weren't watching the club when those accusations were flying around
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