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| Quote Marcus's Bicycle="Marcus's Bicycle"If Chester is sacked who do you think you would realistically go for? The new coach will have the same problems with a weak and injury hit squad.'"
I would hope jp has someone in mind already, if him and the board are not thinking about it already then we are in trouble imo
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| Quote Marcus's Bicycle="Marcus's Bicycle"If Chester is sacked who do you think you would realistically go for? The new coach will have the same problems with a weak and injury hit squad.'"
A change of coach (if it is the right person) can work wonders with a good but underperforming team or an average team or a poor team over time. Conversely, a poor coach can have the reverse effect.
Examples - Powell at Cas, Smith at Warrington, Gillespie at Yorkshire, Hiddink at Chelsea.
Chezzie has had time enough, has had a reasonably free rein on recruitment, has openly stated "Willie Poching was one of his shrewdest acquisitions" and coached the second worst defensive team in SL last season. Says it all, really. Our current plight with injuries and squad depth, whilst unlucky, smacks of incompetence on a massive scale. It's not as if we didn't have a dry run in this regard last year.
If we fail to beat St Helens at home in 10 days time, given how Salford eviscerated them last week after a heavy opening weekend loss, Chezzie ought to be lynched.
Get Morgan back, make a move for Steve Mcnamara or Paul Rowley. Or an Aussie assistant coach at one of their recent NRL success franchises (therefore excludes Canberra, Gold Coast, Newcastle, Parramatta, Penrith and Wests), who has represented his country at test level.
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| I think Morgan would be a good appointment. Since he left Rovers he must have gained more experience and new ideas in the NRL.
If there is a change I think McNamara is more likely.
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| Some people are saying that we should give CC more time due to injuries and the like, we conceded nearly 30 points per game for all of last season. Some are saying that our pack is small, I accept that the second row are a bit light (Coxie wanted to play second row) but our front row are big lads, they're just not performing.
The truth is that the board have never provided this club with an experienced coach, Morgan, Sandercock and Chester have all been novices. Do the board fear an experienced coach?
John Kear has always had an impact wherever he has gone or Geof Toovey sacked from Manly last year could be options. One thing is for sure, Chester is not up to the job.
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| People are being too harsh on chester IMO. Does anyone have any evidence that he's the one who has chosen the players and squad make up? Did he hand out big contracts to kelly and campese? Was he the one who green lighted tilse last season?
Didn't rob crossland come out and say the other day you've purposely chosen younger, lighter forwards as you're making plans for reduced interchanges - wasn't that when he criticised the Hull pack for being too big? Seems to be a club policy to me and not down solely to chester. How much input have hudge, crossland, smith and peacock had in recruitment and retention?
Last season he got you to wembley and you were only 2 points off the top 8 despite a bad injury run including losing your best player for most of the season. You also went undefeated through the middle 8's.
What do people realistically expect? You're one of the smaller clubs in SL (in income/attendance terms) and have very few quality young players who have come through your academy meaning you've had to backfill from elsewhere. You're probably punching at your weight in real terms around 7th to 11th and there's only really cas who have bucked the trend to some extent although they're still spending at the cap.
As for your overseas signings, campese, sio and kelly are top quality players even if 2 are injury prone - you sometimes have to take a chance on these players which can blow up in your face but it's hardly chester's fault.
These things often seem worse when the team across the city are doing better. I'd say if it hadn't been for the derby friendly bumming and the fact we've started like a house on fire then most rovers fans would have been happy with a point from your first 2 games. I've no doubt you'll beat a woeful wakefield side on sunday and think you have a decent shout against saints as long as you don;t pick up any more injuries.
Can your club even afford to sack chester and can they afford the salary for these coaches on everyone's shopping list?
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| Quote Grimsby Red="Grimsby Red"Some people are saying that we should give CC more time due to injuries and the like, we conceded nearly 30 points per game for all of last season. Some are saying that our pack is small, I accept that the second row are a bit light (Coxie wanted to play second row) but our front row are big lads, they're just not performing.
The truth is that the board have never provided this club with an experienced coach, Morgan, Sandercock and Chester have all been novices. Do the board fear an experienced coach?
John Kear has always had an impact wherever he has gone or Geof Toovey sacked from Manly last year could be options. One thing is for sure, Chester is not up to the job.'"
Your back row is definitely a major problem with your forwards. Your props would be a lot better if they had decent back rowers taking the pressure off. The luxury radford has at the minute of bringing pritchard on after 25 minutes or so is massive and our back row has been the major part of our 2 wins so far IMO
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| Quote Jake the Peg="Jake the Peg"Your back row is definitely a major problem with your forwards. Your props would be a lot better if they had decent back rowers taking the pressure off. The luxury radford has at the minute of bringing pritchard on after 25 minutes or so is massive and our back row has been the major part of our 2 wins so far IMO'"
I don't mean to be rude but I am not focusing on any other team at the moment. Our back row could have been strengthened in the close season but w Chesters at fault.asn't, Chester has to take some responsibility for that. Regardless of our size our defensive line is too slow and timid, it was for the whole of last season and this problem has not been addressed.
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| Quote Pickering Red="Pickering Red"Get Morgan back, make a move for Steve Mcnamara or Paul Rowley. Or an Aussie assistant coach at one of their recent NRL success franchises (therefore excludes Canberra, Gold Coast, Newcastle, Parramatta, Penrith and Wests), who has represented his country at test level.'"
Paul Rowley a good shout...
You need to pull in some loan players, if only the relationship with Hull FC was a little better there is a embarrassment of riches in the forwards that could do a job for KR. Selling Taylor to Wigan may become a costly mistake
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| Quote Jake the Peg="Jake the Peg"People are being too harsh on chester IMO. Does anyone have any evidence that he's the one who has chosen the players and squad make up? Did he hand out big contracts to kelly and campese? Was he the one who green lighted tilse last season?
Didn't rob crossland come out and say the other day you've purposely chosen younger, lighter forwards as you're making plans for reduced interchanges - wasn't that when he criticised the Hull pack for being too big? Seems to be a club policy to me and not down solely to chester. How much input have hudge, crossland, smith and peacock had in recruitment and retention?
Last season he got you to wembley and you were only 2 points off the top 8 despite a bad injury run including losing your best player for most of the season. You also went undefeated through the middle 8's.
What do people realistically expect? You're one of the smaller clubs in SL (in income/attendance terms) and have very few quality young players who have come through your academy meaning you've had to backfill from elsewhere. You're probably punching at your weight in real terms around 7th to 11th and there's only really cas who have bucked the trend to some extent although they're still spending at the cap.
As for your overseas signings, campese, sio and kelly are top quality players even if 2 are injury prone - you sometimes have to take a chance on these players which can blow up in your face but it's hardly chester's fault.
These things often seem worse when the team across the city are doing better. I'd say if it hadn't been for the derby friendly bumming and the fact we've started like a house on fire then most rovers fans would have been happy with a point from your first 2 games. I've no doubt you'll beat a woeful wakefield side on sunday and think you have a decent shout against saints as long as you don;t pick up any more injuries.
Can your club even afford to sack chester and can they afford the salary for these coaches on everyone's shopping list?'"
Pure crap and some of it a bit patronising, especially the smaller club analogy.
Hull KR is a team. RL is a team game. As a team, Hull KR is misfiring and underperforming in its current iteration and somebody has to carry the can.
Rewind 12 months.
Last season, we beat you in preseason and we beat you at yours. We never won away from home again in SL. We beat some other top 4 sides at home. We won 3 on the bounce over Easter and then it all dissolved to rats**t. At the same time the suicidal lemmings on the dark side of the chocolate divide were screaming for Radford's head. Then fortunes went in reverse. A team that could defend, suddenly found some cohesion in attack. A team that couldn't defend but could attack, lost its playmaker and on field game manager. The rest is history. We were consistently inconsistent in line with previous seasons.
So we got to Wembley but got hammered by a record score. We missed out on our target of the top 8. You beat us at Newcastle and at ours.
Fast forward to 2016. You fix up your 2015 weaknesses in the off-season by recruiting players who can compliment the talent you already had and take your performances up another level.
We fix our 2015 weaknesses and legacy by - failing to sign a half to play alongside Kelly and to provide cover for Campo and Kelly; failing to address our pack weakness and size especially in the back row; failing to sign a specialist fullback; failing to practice core defensive structures in preseason according to stand-in captain Graeme Horne; failing to increase the size of our squad and by the look of it, failing to practice offence.
There is a talent pool out there and we understand from our directors that it was our coach's responsibility solely last year to tap into it. This year he has had input in that regard from JP.
So as we see it, it is Chezzies team for better or for worse, hands tied behind his back or not. As fans, we expect an improvement and yes the more sanguine and realistic members of our fan base, myself included, would not act to get rid of him at this exact moment in time. That said, we do wonder if this current team has the capability to react. Despite the point against Cas, the team is performing at the level of skill and intensity of the middle 8s and worse than at this time last year. Things have to change to avoid a repeat of last year. Personally, I don't see it happening without a major shakeup, starting with the coaching set up.
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| Quote Pickering Red="Pickering Red"Pure crap and some of it a bit patronising, especially the smaller club analogy.
Hull KR is a team. RL is a team game. As a team, Hull KR is misfiring and underperforming in its current iteration and somebody has to carry the can.
Rewind 12 months.
Last season, we beat you in preseason and we beat you at yours. We never won away from home again in SL. We beat some other top 4 sides at home. We won 3 on the bounce over Easter and then it all dissolved to rats**t. At the same time the suicidal lemmings on the dark side of the chocolate divide were screaming for Radford's head. Then fortunes went in reverse. A team that could defend, suddenly found some cohesion in attack. A team that couldn't defend but could attack, lost its playmaker and on field game manager. The rest is history. We were consistently inconsistent in line with previous seasons.
So we got to Wembley but got hammered by a record score. We missed out on our target of the top 8. You beat us at Newcastle and at ours.
Fast forward to 2016. You fix up your 2015 weaknesses in the off-season by recruiting players who can compliment the talent you already had and take your performances up another level.
We fix our 2015 weaknesses and legacy by - failing to sign a half to play alongside Kelly and to provide cover for Campo and Kelly; failing to address our pack weakness and size especially in the back row; failing to sign a specialist fullback; failing to practice core defensive structures in preseason according to stand-in captain Graeme Horne; failing to increase the size of our squad and by the look of it, failing to practice offence.
There is a talent pool out there and we understand from our directors that it was our coach's responsibility solely last year to tap into it. This year he has had input in that regard from JP.
So as we see it, it is Chezzies team for better or for worse, hands tied behind his back or not. As fans, we expect an improvement and yes the more sanguine and realistic members of our fan base, myself included, would not act to get rid of him at this exact moment in time. That said, we do wonder if this current team has the capability to react. Despite the point against Cas, the team is performing at the level of skill and intensity of the middle 8s and worse than at this time last year. Things have to change to avoid a repeat of last year. Personally, I don't see it happening without a major shakeup, starting with the coaching set up.'"
Great post
This fc fans patronizing that seems to be happening is doing my head in as well they forgot how they have been doing the last 4-5 seasons and just so happens they have started this season well and now they are the biggest team in the world again
The point you make about chesters hands being tied regarding signings the club shipped out something like 18 players and let him have free will on who he signed and he signed some very good players but for 1 reason or another those sane players don't believe in him anymore and surely the board can see that,
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| Quote Jake the Peg="Jake the Peg"
What do people realistically expect? You're one of the smaller clubs in SL (in income/attendance terms) '"
Not that size is the only measurement that's important, I don't agree with this bit. I don't know income, but attendances are in the public domain. I reckon us to be 7th on average home attendances. That's where I expect us to be in the league year on year.
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| Quote Oafy="Oafy"Great post
This fc fans patronizing that seems to be happening is doing my head in as well they forgot how they have been doing the last 4-5 seasons and just so happens they have started this season well and now they are the biggest team in the world again
The point you make about chesters hands being tied regarding signings the club shipped out something like 18 players and let him have free will on who he signed and he signed some very good players but for 1 reason or another those sane players don't believe in him anymore and surely the board can see that,'"
Which Hull FC fans have said that?
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