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Quote Mild Rover="Mild Rover"www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_club?season=2012&stat=missed_tackles&hs1=2012&hp1=500&hs2=2012&hp2=500
Missing 30 a game as a team. Nigh on one every defensive set.
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www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... 12&hp2=500'"
Comparing last year's team stats to this, is a bit misleading. Given our change from compressed down the middle tactics last year to this years, more spread approach. None the less, we conceded too many soft tries last year and are conceding too many soft tries this year - so neither approach worked/working.
I guess we need to work more on Plan C which should involve looking after possession better and have more control of the games. Under JM we did this very effectively and a lot of the times, we saw games out when we were in winning positions in the second stevo stanza. We ground teams down if you like. Under CS we do look like we're trying to score from every attacking opportunity and force unnecessary plays. Maybe if we adopt JM's favourite "build the frepping pressure" approach, we can get more control during these tight games and hopefully see them out better. |
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Quote Mild Rover="Mild Rover"www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_club?season=2012&stat=missed_tackles&hs1=2012&hp1=500&hs2=2012&hp2=500
Missing 30 a game as a team. Nigh on one every defensive set.
Last year for comparison:
www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... 12&hp2=500'"
Comparing last year's team stats to this, is a bit misleading. Given our change from compressed down the middle tactics last year to this years, more spread approach. None the less, we conceded too many soft tries last year and are conceding too many soft tries this year - so neither approach worked/working.
I guess we need to work more on Plan C which should involve looking after possession better and have more control of the games. Under JM we did this very effectively and a lot of the times, we saw games out when we were in winning positions in the second stevo stanza. We ground teams down if you like. Under CS we do look like we're trying to score from every attacking opportunity and force unnecessary plays. Maybe if we adopt JM's favourite "build the frepping pressure" approach, we can get more control during these tight games and hopefully see them out better. | |
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You can't win if you can't tackle, I'm pretty sure we were high up in the missed tackles last season too. Maybe our players just have bad tackling technique.
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What's defence?
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Something AS takes plenty of pictures of
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| Quote ☺East-Sard☺="☺East-Sard☺"Something AS takes plenty of pictures of'"
No, that's debins. |
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I used to live next door to a jamaican and we used to regularly chat over defence
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| Quote HKR Smithy="HKR Smithy"Missed tackles cost points. Yes he makes a lot, but if he makes 30 and misses the one that costs us a game winning try.. Obviously everybody misses tackles, but i dont think that making more gives you more of a right to miss them than anyone else. If he's missing them because of fatigue due to the defence he is being asked to do then the coach is partly to blame as well as he shouldnt be playing the full 80 as what is effectively a defensive workhorse if he is missing a lot of tackles. Either give him a break, or give someone else his defensive role for a period of the game to even it up'"
to be fair lovegrove made as many tackles as 8 members of the team put together if your looking for someone to blame look no further than welham a massive liability he lets in a lot more than he scores |
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| Quote Sandra The Terrorist="Sandra The Terrorist"What's defence?'"
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Who supplies these stats? Defence needs a lot of work admittedly but 7 in the top 20 missed tackles? Widnes have 2 of the top 20, Cas 0, Salford 1 & Bradford 2, all have let in more points than we have...& 8 assists for Dobson? Was that just vs Huddersfield? I'd read these with a large pinch of salt.
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| Quote Wildmoose="Wildmoose"Who supplies these stats? Defence needs a lot of work admittedly but 7 in the top 20 missed tackles? Widnes have 2 of the top 20, Cas 0, Salford 1 & Bradford 2, all let in more points than we have...& 8 assists for Dobson? Was that just vs Huddersfield? I'd read these with a large pinch of salt.'"
Maybe they reflect the fact you are 10th in the league ?... just a thought like  |
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| Quote fun time frankie="fun time frankie"to be fair lovegrove made as many tackles as 8 members of the team put together if your looking for someone to blame look no further than welham a massive liability he lets in a lot more than he scores'"
Im not looking to blame anyone, collectively our defence is poor i was just commenting on what you said. I rate Lovegrove and we should be looking to offer him a new deal sharpish! And im not getting into the Welham debate |
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Prior to the arrival of Sandercock, our defence was poor, albeit in a different sense. Our lads are now learning new structures and added to that there are players missing that'll have been worked into the structures in pre-season, this hinders training somewhat in the sense that numbers are lower and it's much harder to try out routines and structures without the correct numbers at training. Given time I'm sure Sandy'll have the lads doing what he wants and we'll all have to be patient and wait for the tree bearing fruit.
We're growing a Sandercock Tree and the Cock fruit tastes good.
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