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| Quote: Mild Rover "Refs see what they expect to see (they're only human and our brains are wired that way) to a large extent and good teams benefit from that. I'd admit btw that fans see what they want to see.
In our early days in SL, Silverwood-Bradford was one of the most depressing prospects. And Child against Saints a few years ago, is hard to forget, much as I'd like to. Now they're not so good, it feels like we're more likely to get calls against them. Also they're less likely to capitalise on their good fortune. Bad decisions that turn out not to be crucial are more quickly forgotten, as there isn't the same sense of injustice. That Child-saints game being an exception, as they were clearly much better, but he was astonishingly eager to penalise us that night.
I'm guessing that when Rovers and Hull were doing very well in the early-mid 80s, people complained about never getting decisions on Humberside?
Not watched last nights game yet, as I was out. And tbh, I knew it'd be the sort of game likely to give me an ulcer watched live. Sounds like I was right!
You're right, Wigan are good again and exploit the advantages that come with it ruthlessly. If you could keep it up on the BBC, while going poop on Sky so we can enjoy Clarke's discomfort in the play-offs, I'd be much obliged.
The difference was that in the 80's the ref didn't have a replay system to look at something from 5 angles, slow it down and still get it totally wrong when everyone else on the planet can patently see he has the wrong decision.
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| Quote: leeds owl "You'll have chance to test that theory in a couple of weeks old lad. Just out of interest, were you in the top four when you started playing American Football at the Etihad last season ? The only bonus for you from last night was that Withers didn't have chance to bend Sam Tomkins leg like a corkscrew. The RFL would have been calling for the return of the death penalty if he'd have tried that on Ratboy.'"
Aside from Sam Tomkins not playing last night, you're right about the Etihad.
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| Quote: leeds owl "You'll have chance to test that theory in a couple of weeks old lad. Just out of interest, were you in the top four when you started playing American Football at the Etihad last season ? The only bonus for you from last night was that Withers didn't have chance to bend Sam Tomkins leg like a corkscrew. The RFL would have been calling for the return of the death penalty if he'd have tried that on Ratboy.'"
The forward pass we got away at the Etihad was against Hull. Liam Watts was fortunate to be awarded a crucial try in a game in 2011 - that was against Cas (technically a correct decision, imbo, but still). You see my point?
I remember Leeds at CP in 2007, getting away with a truly atrocious forward pass for a try. We went on to win at least.
As long as we have a sport, we'll need referees. As long as we have referees we'll have refereeing errors. Some more predictable than others. Sometimes it is gut wrenching and you really do wonder, 'wtf?' Especially as rover49 says when they have the benefit of replays.
But refs are above the law, because they are the law. Suck it up or sack it off are the only choices.
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| Quote: Largeparts "Aside from Sam Tomkins not playing last night, you're right about the Etihad.'"
Yes mate, I know he didn't play. What I meant was it's a good job he wasn't on the pitch for withers to rag him about. We all know what happens if anyone dare lay a finger on likkle Sam.
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| Quote: Mild Rover "But refs are above the law, because they are the law. Suck it up or sack it off are the only choices.
True to a point. In-game decisions are easier to stomach as you can't slow the play down (well you can actually can't you, see last night against Widnes !!) so the ref's can be cut a little slack in none televised games. However to be on the receiving end of the decision last night I can imagine is utterly infuriating. I was happy for the Green try to stand in the Magic (as I saw it as evening up things) but the Charnley effort to be ruled in is a farce. Again.
If Stuart Cummins acknowledges such howlers as a Sky pundit seeing the same replays as the VR, you can only hope he saw the same things as Ref Supremo. I'd like to know what discussions went on at Red Hall between him and his charges after poor decisions and what action he took (if any).
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| Quote: leeds owl "Yes mate, I know he didn't play. What I meant was it's a good job he wasn't on the pitch for withers to rag him about. We all know what happens if anyone dare lay a finger on likkle Sam.'"
Got you. It's frustrating that he gets protected more than any other player, seeing as he's one of the niggliest players in SL.
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| Quote: Sandra The Terrorist "They kept fannying about with my pet crow, proper got me mad that.'"
I bet you were absolutely "raven" about it.
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| it does seem the 50/50s go in favour of wigan leeds wires etc, but then we would say that, i thought you lot where hard done by last night,
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| Having just watched most of the game and all the key incidents...
Charnley's try early in the second half - I can only think that Child thought the rule is simultaneous on try line and touchline is a try and gave benefit of the doubt. IMO it was evened out to some extent by the one that wasn't given shortly after where he reached over Dave Hodgson. That was very, very close and I,d normally have expected Wigan to be awarded that try. I can't help but wonder if somebody had had a word.
The 12 point turnaround before half time - 6 of those were nothing directly to do with the officials and I'm not certain we'd have scored anyway.
Overall I think we got the shoddy end the stick, but it was within tolerances - especially given the opposition and location.
I thought we put in a creditable performance - something to build on for the rest of the run-in.
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| James Child has got the double up not only is he the most incompetent ref in the game he is also now the most incompetent video ref in the game
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| It's generally the decisions that referees don't give that have more influence than those they do. KR's discipline was fairly poor during the Wigan game having just watched it however there were plenty of incidents (such as 'hand on the ball' etc.) by Wigan which could easily be given but weren't. It's hard to play against that over 80 mins it's a drip feed of pressure which is never relieved by the same penalty given the other way. It's normal for so called 'lesser' sides at the DW to have to cop that.
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| Just watched the game (been away & did not know the score) & I am dumb struck that the Charnley try when the ball was clearly on the touch in goal line. No dispute clear as glass just how can they get it wrong so very wrong?
Now I have calmed down I don't think that it cost us the game but we should have been a lot closer. All in all it was a great game & I am pleased with the team & a big hand to the youngsters. If all our games are as close win or loose I will be happy with an effort like that.
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| The Charnley 2nd try was wrong, he should never have been awarded that.
Later the Charnley/Hodgson incident should have been a try. SKY's Super Zoom proved that.
Lauaki was very close and not sure whether he grounded and was pushed back or what. Ben of Doubt maybe?
Eden's pass was forward, you only have to look where the pass was made in relation to the 10 mtr line line and where it was caught in relation to the same line and it was clearly forward.
Also looked like the last try by Rover was a dropped ball. The ref awarded it and nothing was shown again.
Silverwood is ok but Child is awful. Trouble is he isn't up to SL standard but how do you get him there if you don't play him?
Wigan deserved their win but the officials will have a nightmare looking at that review.
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| Quote: Father Ted "The Charnley 2nd try was wrong, he should never have been awarded that.
Later the Charnley/Hodgson incident should have been a try. SKY's Super Zoom proved that.
Lauaki was very close and not sure whether he grounded and was pushed back or what. Ben of Doubt maybe?
Eden's pass was forward, you only have to look where the pass was made in relation to the 10 mtr line line and where it was caught in relation to the same line and it was clearly forward.
Also looked like the last try by Rover was a dropped ball. The ref awarded it and nothing was shown again.
Silverwood is ok but Child is awful. Trouble is he isn't up to SL standard but how do you get him there if you don't play him?
Wigan deserved their win but the officials will have a nightmare looking at that review.'"
I can agree with most of that except the forward pass, Eden passed it backwards but as he was stopped in the tackle the momentum already in the ball took it forward that is the reason the line is no true indication of forward as it is static everything else is subject to the laws of motion. You get some decisions you loose some but instead of having possesion Rovers were defending from a wrong decision. What I found interesting was the two school kids running the line intervened twice & were wrong twice when most other games they only run the line to get a good view of the match & never see anything.
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| Quote: Beverley red "I can agree with most of that except the forward pass, Eden passed it backwards but as he was stopped in the tackle the momentum already in the ball took it forward that is the reason the line is no true indication of forward as it is static everything else is subject to the laws of motion. You get some decisions you loose some but instead of having possesion Rovers were defending from a wrong decision. What I found interesting was the two school kids running the line intervened twice & were wrong twice when most other games they only run the line to get a good view of the match & never see anything.'"
The forward pass rule, states, I think, that the ball should travel backwards in relation to the player making it (the pass). It didn't on that occasion, or the pass immediately before it for that matter, which was 'flat', or forward as it is more correctly known. It is has become the norm these days, and there is no easy solution to it. Except for the refs to ping it more often.
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