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Quote: Seventies red "

perhaps you need to do a little more living and recieve a little more education at the same time.'"


Just for you RW!

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Quote: Gordon Gekko "I was brought up on OPE, so can i play??
Ah that explains everything icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Roverswall "Didn't want to touch this one with a barge pole then BB.
Strange that.'"


Mmm..as long as they are not Pa***i C****t eh!.....I honestly thought you were brighter than this.

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Quote: berrigans bitch "Mmm..as long as they are not Pa***i C****t eh!.....I honestly thought you were brighter than this.'"



So was it the comments on facebook or the assault that angered you the most out of interest.

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Quote: berrigans bitch "Why have you conveniently failed to post the comments I was replying to ?

OK, for the second time...SR told me I should gain some life skills and education..You follow so far ?...so I replied I was educated to degree level, and I was raised on N.Hull (where there is plenty of diversity and life skills to be gained)!!

From that you decided I was implying that I posted where I was raised as a badge of honour etc, how you reached this conclusion is beyond me!! You clearly thought you could try to belittle me, you failed as per!'"
Point me in the direction where I have said claiming to be from OPE is a bad thing or that you shouldn't be proud of your upbringing?
Oh wait you can't because I didn't say it therefore where i'm supposed to be belittling you is beyond me as I wasn't.
I agree that NH/OPE is a learning experience, It still doesn't change thet fact that you USED your upbringing to win an arguement.
Still carry on.

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Quote: Gavin Miller - Legend "So was it the comments on facebook or the assault that angered you the most out of interest.'"


Both appalled me tbh...Obviously seeing the attack angered me as I am sure it did most, I was appalled he used the forces for his defence and I believe his profession kept him out of jail..I am totally opposed to racism as I hope most people are, but what made it worse is the fact he is not a teenager and he clearly has not learnt or shown any respect to the people who stood by him. His actions imply he has no respect towards fellow human beings.
This is not about it being a KR player for me both Cockayne & Raynor should have been banned from the sport to send out a message that racism is not tolerated in our sport, the fact they were not makes a mockery of the Respect campaign and sends out the wrong message to youngsters within our society.

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Quote: Roverswall "Point me in the direction where I have said claiming to be from OPE is a bad thing or that you shouldn't be proud of your upbringing?
Oh wait you can't because I didn't say it therefore where i'm supposed to be belittling you is beyond me as I wasn't.
I agree that NH/OPE is a learning experience, It still doesn't change thet fact that you USED your upbringing to win an arguement.
Still carry on.'"


No I never as it is irrelevant as to where I was raised, I am neither ashamed or proud of where I was raised, it is just a fact. I was pointing out I have life experience and have seen a few things in my time as it was being implied I had no experience or education icon_frustrated.gif ..

Any individual arguing against a racist does not need any ammunition, they have won the argument before it begins.

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Quote: berrigans bitch "Both appalled me tbh...Obviously seeing the attack angered me as I am sure it did most, I was appalled he used the forces for his defence and I believe his profession kept him out of jail..I am totally opposed to racism as I hope most people are, but what made it worse is the fact he is not a teenager and he clearly has not learnt or shown any respect to the people who stood by him. His actions imply he has no respect towards fellow human beings.
This is not about it being a KR player for me both Cockayne & Raynor should have been banned from the sport to send out a message that racism is not tolerated in our sport, the fact they were not makes a mockery of the Respect campaign and sends out the wrong message to youngsters within our society.'"


Perhaps if Ben had been found guilty of any wrongdoing by the police, he would have been.

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Quote: EL CAMO "Perhaps if Ben had been found guilty of any wrongdoing by the police, he would have been.'"


Maybe.....However his wrongdoings were clear for all to see.

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Quote: berrigans bitch "Mmm..as long as they are not Pa***i C****t eh!.....I honestly thought you were brighter than this.'"
Right so we are back to that again then.
You still failed to answer my questions
What Ben wrote doesn't automatically make him a racist apart from the statement you have just stated.
No matter how many times you post it that wont change.
My view is that it should be British jobs for British folks in the current climate I can see nothing wrong with that statement.
As for the other statement on its own that COULD be classed as an eye for an eye.
Neither of those statements in isolation are racist comments.

Just to be clear here I belive Ben should have been sacked, But for his comment above and his previous discretion.
His other views that are been thrown at him are not necessarily racist.

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Quote: Roverswall "Right so we are back to that again then.
You still failed to answer my questions
What Ben wrote doesn't automatically make him a racist apart from the statement you have just stated.
No matter how many times you post it that wont change.
My view is that it should be British jobs for British folks in the current climate I can see nothing wrong with that statement.
As for the other statement on its own that COULD be classed as an eye for an eye.
Neither of those statements in isolation are racist comments.

Just to be clear here I belive Ben should have been sacked, But for his comment above and his previous discretion.
His other views that are been thrown at him are not necessarily racist.'"


Are you deliberately missing the point here...British jobs for British folks I agree is not necessarily racist in isolation..however when you also write P**i c***t, it puts a whole different perspective on that sentence.

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I can actually understand both sides of the arguement to be honest.
But the courts and players clubs can sort it for me and im just a fan who watches the 17 picked every week and dont get worked up enough to have an outspoken opinion either way.
Players always have and always will do things in their private lifes that subject them to these type of threads.
Aspinwall at Cas has been far from an angel recently and there have also been many instances of players caught drink driving which for me is one of the worse things a person can do.
Getting angry on here about it doesnt really acheive much though.

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Quote: berrigans bitch "Are you deliberately missing the point here...British jobs for British folks I agree is not necessarily racist in isolation..however when you also write P**i c***t, it puts a whole different perspective on that sentence.'"
No.
But I have said things in the past I havent meant and later regreted(Not saying that is true in this case).
So just because I say one thing in error that doesnt mean any other comments I make have to be taken In that same context (Again if Bens are).
You are of the opinion that because he said W that means that X+Y has to mean W.
That isn't strictly true, Neither you or me know that to be the case concusivley(sp).

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Quote: Roverswall "No.
But I have said things in the past I havent meant and later regreted(Not saying that is true in this case).
So just because I say one thing in error that doesnt mean any other comments I make have to be taken In that same context (Again if Bens are).
You are of the opinion that because he said W that means that X+Y has to mean W.
That isn't strictly true, Neither you or me know that to be the case concusivley(sp).'"


If you call someone p*** c*** i think it generally means you have racist views, hence why i thought he should have been sacked. Not being prosecuted has nothing to do with it as im not sure its a criminal offence as such. Even if it is itss unlikely cost effective to pusue. Hes admitted it was him therefore its against the club/sport ethic.
He wasnt so i assume we get on with it. Hope hes learned his lesson and manages to educate himself to change his views.

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Quote: Roverswall "No.
But I have said things in the past I havent meant and later regreted(Not saying that is true in this case).
So just because I say one thing in error that doesnt mean any other comments I make have to be taken In that same context (Again if Bens are).
You are of the opinion that because he said W that means that X+Y has to mean W.
That isn't strictly true, Neither you or me know that to be the case concusivley(sp).'"

But how else can P......i C......t be interpretated?

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