I'd agree with a lot that is being posted about our defence and it being the foundation of any good side.
You only have to compare our markers to the opposition. Ours look like folks staggering away from a car crash in a daze. If they even get to their feet whilst our opponents are up washed dressed had a fag and a drink before we play the ball.
Extremely worryingly our coach has been at the club years and you would have hoped he would have addressed this last season and instilled it in the new players.
Think we have a dud. Hope I am wrong.

am i right in saying that we had spent all week working on defence and they was just going to let the attack take care of itself?
Now i understand the gelling process but it was the coaches choice to have wholesale changes and from what i have seen so far we are no better off than last season,
Charlie and sio played well yesterday and i don't think we will get a bad game out of them
goulding is not fit and got brushed of a tackle a few times by Craig hall if this happened while at Wigan he would be sat in the stands the week after,
mantellato looks nothing other than a goal kicker.
Salter I really want the kid to make it but I'm not sure about him,
campese I thought ball in hand was terrible his passing selection was poor at times and tackling ain't the best,
Kelly is pure class but looks like he tried far to much yesterday and looks not totally match fit to me
boudebza was bought in as a support hooker and is miles better than the guy he is supposed to be supporting
Carlisle is worst hooker in the league
our whole back row are made up of squad players and I'm not sure if there is a worse back row in the league,
the front row look ok just lacking fitness badly,

Confirmation that you are owned by Jake the Peg,are you 9 yrs old.

"Just" the 35 missed tackles this week. Don't know what we are all worried about.

#massiveimprovement

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Hell shucks if only I'd have worked that out by my little old self

Difficult to watch yesterday. I can take getting beat when you know your team have put a shift in or beaten by a better team i.e leeds, but yesterday was just a massive backwards step. The lack of enthusiasm, motivation and desire was the most disappointing for me.

Yes, we will score tries this season and with a bit more control yesterday we could of easily racked up 30+ points, but it seems we are lacking in a bit of honest hard graft to allow our flair players to get in them positions.

the 1st 30 mins yesterday were not to bad i don't think, we handled quite a lot of what they threw at us and then got our selves in the lead. Then our game plan went to pot and although albert kelly is clearly our best player, the pass he threw out for miller to pick up and level the scores was a shocker and a momentum swinger. Why was we even doing that with 5 mins to go with a half time lead in tact, in our own 20. Not only are we lacking enthusiasm and motivation in defence, we are one of if not the dumbest team in the league with game management.

Stan has summed up the defensive issues well so will not go over, but the biggest issue for me is that we just cant control the ruck. Teams then get a roll on, suck in our middle men and leave our fringes ( who couldn't tackle a sunday dinner) exposed.

Wakey did the basics, very well. None of their tries were outstanding pieces of skill/power etc they just ran good lines, ran hard and played with energy. If we are struggling let's at least do them basics see where it takes us from there.

Honorable mentions yesterday - Sio worked hard, mccarthy put a shift in, kelly tried ( maybe to hard ) blair although still looking round put a good shift in as well, and french john looked good. Cockayne as per looks to spark things. KR fans, fantastic support. I am not overly optimistic if i am honest i can't see any defensive improvement coming.

Just to raise a query why did Poaching do all the media after the game yesterday?
Wonder if the Head Coach would have done them if we won?
Looked like Poaching was hung out to dry. Bit cowardly it looked from here.

Radio said it was due to CC doing sky and written media. Said he wouldn't have made the radio interview so sent Poching.

Certainly are. Esp as we'd just received a reliving 1st tackle penalty on our in goal line. A simple clearing set and look to consolidate a 12-6 lead was the order of the day at that time. Instead we got an offload followed by a wild aimless pass which I think was on tackle 1.

I think we have fittness issues with some of the players who came in to the squad late, But the main thing after watching yesterday is that Wakey put a team out on the park, we put out 17 players some of who are very talented. We have two weeks to get some fittness & organisation as I think Wigan will not be at their best after the world club game. I still take an optomistic slant on the season & have not given up on them yet.

I suggest you watch again or take off your HKR specs - the Guardian and the YP describe some of Wakefield's tries as "superb" "wonderful" "brilliant" their words not mine andI'd agree, still stay bitter my friend.

Vasty, we are picking apart our own failings, if you want to blow smoke up your own player's asses, feel free, but you won't get any buy-in around here. Without wishing to put your performance down, a team prepared to miss <35 tackles would have beaten you yesterday. Smith was superb, your pack dominated, but it was all as a result of our deficiencies. That's a HKR fan perspective, and it's the only one I've got. I don't do "neutral".

vastman is one of the few posters on here who make the fake frenchie's posts look almost sensible. Even the wakie fans know he's a cock

Millers second try as also been picked as try of the week