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Fifty years, give him fifty years, ten isn't long enough.

In fact, sign his kids up now as the next coach.

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Quote: Beverley red "Just reading through some of the drivel on here, I thought Hudge brought Sandy in to build a lasting legacy to the club by building a set up brining in local talent through the club? described by our chairman as the only way the club can advance. so to question Sandy after 2 1/2 years is silly. long term planning is ten to twenty years, I am putting into place in my job structures that will not come to fruition until I have probably popped my clogs, that is how you build a lasting legacy. I have been watching the club since 1960 & up to George Fairburn I think the club had only had five or six coaches in its entire history & would have been less except for the early death of Harry Poole. This club needs long term stability a system that remains constant (look at Wigan/Leeds) & that means allowing our coach to get on with his job & also allowing him to learn from his mistakes. If the idiots on here get their wish we will be back to square one with a new broom changing everything (again) new players & staff treading water trying to keep up with the rest. Whoever the coach is they need 10 years to bring stability.'"

I'm far from an idiot, the only thing idiotic is your post.

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einstien said insanity is when a person does the same thing over and over again but expects a different result:



Its ok saying sack the coach but who do you get to replace him nobody seems to think that far ahead I'd give him another year and see what happens

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Quote: fun time frankie "Its ok saying sack the coach but who do you get to replace him nobody seems to think that far ahead I'd give him another year and see what happens'"

How are we to know as fans, who's available out there? Thats the boards responsibility, not ours! My choice was allways Webster. But we missed the boat on that one. Giving a one year extension to sandy,who is on the whole disliked by many, seems a lazy re-appointment to me.

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einstien said insanity is when a person does the same thing over and over again but expects a different result:



Like I say your quick to day sack him but then don't give an alternative two posters on here have given a name both said James Webster what use Is that he's just got a new job like I say id give him another year if there's no visible improvement in the club as a whole them find a new coach

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Quote: fun time frankie "Like I say your quick to day sack him but then don't give an alternative two posters on here have given a name both said James Webster what use Is that he's just got a new job like I say id give him another year if there's no visible improvement in the club as a whole them find a new coach'"

Why wait another year? What are you expecting to see in the next 12 months that will be significantly different to the last 2 1/2?

If he gets the deal, and nowt changes, are you the man tasked with finding a replacement?

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Quote: Beverley red " Whoever the coach is they need 10 years to bring stability.'"

If the present incumbent is here after 10 years they will be announcing the crowd to the players at 2.45 pm on a Sunday.

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Peter Gentle would be my shout to replace him icon_eek.gif point to prove, knows where hull is, took a shambles of a team to wembley before being stabbed in the back by his assistant not afraid to drop underperforming "stars" gave youth a chance get him on a plane icon_biggrin.gif

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einstien said insanity is when a person does the same thing over and over again but expects a different result:



Ok Stan what makes you think bringing someone else in will change anything for the better to me it will be another coach who needs time to settle in two seasons to get his own team blah blah blah before you know its 2017 and were still struggling to get to 8th

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Quote: fun time frankie "Ok Stan what makes you think bringing someone else in will change anything for the better to me it will be another coach who needs time to settle in two seasons to get his own team blah blah blah before you know its 2017 and were still struggling to get to 8th'"

Castleford....

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Quote: fun time frankie "Ok Stan what makes you think bringing someone else in will change anything for the better to me it will be another coach who needs time to settle in two seasons to get his own team blah blah blah before you know its 2017 and were still struggling to get to 8th'"


Look at the squad. Look at it and honestly tell me that the current coach is getting the best out of it. The board backed him to the hilt this season and he's let them, and us down.

If we keep Sandercock until 2017 we will be back in the Championship looking forward to a "derby" against Donny as a season highlight.

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Quote: Hessle rover "I'm far from an idiot, the only thing idiotic is your post.'"


He actually makes some good points, especially regarding stability.
I recognise that Sandercock hasn't achieved the success that many would have liked up to now, including me.

As fans we want the club to realize both its own and our dreams of achieving success on the field, however quite often we want instant gratification without putting in the long term building blocks first,( a little like Salford are attempting at the moment imo).
Significant achievements require significant effort and time to be realized, that is what the club is working towards at the moment imo.

Some people on this forum, wanting to sack or at least change the coaches every couple of years if they don't come up to their personal expectations maybe understandable but not the right thing to do imo, where would Manchester Utd have been if they had sacked Alex Ferguson after his first couple of years in charge when the clubs achievements did not match up to their fans high expectations,? the club finished around mid table during those first two years and only in year three of Alex Ferguson's reign, did the famous club begin what was the beginning of their long successful period, plus its also worth mentioning that he was already a highly rated coach by the time he took over at Man Utd after a successful spell at Aberdeen during the early eighties, during which time he also was part of the coaching staff for the Scottish national side.

Another thing to bear in mind is ... the players opinion of the coach, in Sandecocks case they ( the players) have great respect for him which goes a long way when trying to build a stable and successful side.

At the moment things could be better and its frustrating been a Rovers fan at times, but if the club took the advice of some fans on this forum, we wouldn't have a team to coach.
As a long standing supporter of Rovers (46 years) and been fortunate to see the very good but also the not so good during those years, i want to see the success of the late seventies/ early eighties replicated in the not to distant future, what i don't want to see is,.....us abandoning our long term goals in favor of the quick fix solution.
Sometimes it takes a while to reach our dreams and the things that bring long term satisfaction. icon_smile.gif

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einstien said insanity is when a person does the same thing over and over again but expects a different result:



One thing I will give you Stan is no I don't think he is getting what he should out of this squad at the moment but the season hasn't ended yet

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Quote: fun time frankie "Its ok saying sack the coach but who do you get to replace him nobody seems to think that far ahead I'd give him another year and see what happens'"
And the in 12 months time we give him another one for the same reason. In the mean time we go to hell in a hand cart but that's ok because at least we won't have to risk someone else.
Geez.

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Quote: Seventies red "He actually makes some good points, especially regarding stability.
I recognise that Sandercock hasn't achieved the success that many would have liked up to now, including me.

As fans we want the club to realize both its own and our dreams of achieving success on the field, however quite often we want instant gratification without putting in the long term building blocks first,( a little like Salford are attempting at the moment imo).
Significant achievements require significant effort and time to be realized, that is what the club is working towards at the moment imo.

Some people on this forum, wanting to sack or at least change the coaches every couple of years if they don't come up to their personal expectations maybe understandable but not the right thing to do imo, where would Manchester Utd have been if they had sacked Alex Ferguson after his first couple of years in charge when the clubs achievements did not match up to their fans high expectations,? the club finished around mid table during those first two years and only in year three of Alex Ferguson's reign, did the famous club begin what was the beginning of their long successful period, plus its also worth mentioning that he was already a highly rated coach by the time he took over at Man Utd after a successful spell at Aberdeen during the early eighties, during which time he also was part of the coaching staff for the Scottish national side.

Another thing to bear in mind is ... the players opinion of the coach, in Sandecocks case they ( the players) have great respect for him which goes a long way when trying to build a stable and successful side.

At the moment things could be better and its frustrating been a Rovers fan at times, but if the club took the advice of some fans on this forum, we wouldn't have a team to coach.
As a long standing supporter of Rovers (46 years) and been fortunate to see the very good but also the not so good during those years, i want to see the success of the late seventies/ early eighties replicated in the not to distant future, what i don't want to see is,.....us abandoning our long term goals in favor of the quick fix solution.
Sometimes it takes a while to reach our dreams and the things that bring long term satisfaction. We are NO better now then we were 2 1/2 years ago.
It's no wonder the players like him if as has been proved they can do whatever they bloody well like (We have a good squad but are playing miles BELOW how we should be as proof).

Look at Castleford as an example of a coach squeezing every ounce he can out of his squad. No amount of time will change the fact that Sandercock cannot manage that.

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