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| Quote Mild Rover="Mild Rover"The RFL have made facilities an important criterion in licensing, so clubs who have not yet secured public investment or cannot provide funding of their own (RL is not a wealthy sport after all), need to look at ways of doing so. It is the same for Wakefield, Salford, Cas and, before it went down the pan, Bradford. Rovers response has been rational, and while the aim of new stadium seems unrealistic, using the precedent of the KC is an obvious piece of advocacy to push the case for some sort of support.
I don't know about anything about the Stingrays, so I'm not sure how pertinent that is. If the local authority wants (ie it makes political sense) to have two K-u-Hull clubs [uin SL[/u long-term, they need to either support improvements at CP (which I think they will), or everybody has to accept Rovers at the KC - which seems deeply unpalatable to a majority of both Hull and Rovers fans. Are there any stadiums that host 3 senior clubs regularly? I can't think of any in the UK.'"
I wouldn't have any problem with the council upgrading CP providing it represents value to the taxpayer. The KC was built from one off funds and wasn't built purely for Hull City and Hull FC but the wider community. If HCC are to fund any stadia improvements then imho the land and buildings must be wholly owned by HCC and the whole facility must be run by an independant management committee along the same lines as the SMC with the remit of getting VFM for the ratepayers of Hull.
On top of this the work must be carried out by local contractors and materials must be supplied by local companies in order to assist the local economy.
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| Quote Mrs Barista="Mrs Barista"Have you even read Jake The Peg's post? Rovers have had plenty of public funding in the same way that Hull Stingrays did. If the council paid for stadium extensions and crowds did not materially increase, the investment would represent very poor value for money. Remember how much passes are going to cost for 2012 and the current gloomy environment and it's fair to say that materially and consistently increasing crowds by more than 20% is very challenging.'"
Hull Stingrays? How can you compare a team from a sport nobody in this country let alone Hull is interested in with a team in the City which has the potential to attract an average of 10k crowds. An investment in HKR would be a far more solid investment then any money thrown at the town’s ice hockey club.
As for increasing crowds I’ve no doubt it would be harder in the current financial climate but we can't afford to wait, moving to the KC did FC and the Tigers crowds no end of good and I’d expect it to boost rovers average attendance too.
Quote Mrs BaristaOr, the point is that Rovers can't fulfil the commitments they made 2 years ago and are now trying to leverage the fact that the council used a windfall to build a stadium in the city to get them to fund another one. Despite the fact that Rovers wanted to go it alone when offered a place at said stadium. And that the council have funded the Stingrays, a company that was loss-making with an non self-sufficient business model and that now looks a poor commercial decision.
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Rovers like a lot of teams in Superleague are struggling to fulfil commitments, would it be that bad for the council to help Rovers with a boost from King Comms money, improving facilities for everyone who visits CP. Nobody is asking for a mini KC and 40 odd million.
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| Quote retro_muz="retro_muz"Hull Stingrays? How can you compare a team from a sport nobody in this country let alone Hull is interested in with a team in the City which has the potential to attract an average of 10k crowds. [uAn investment in HKR would be a far more solid investment then any money thrown at the town’s ice hockey club.[/u'"
I'm sure Rovers made that point the previous half a dozen times they've taken cash off the council.
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| Quote The Goroka Gene-ius="The Goroka Gene-ius"
If the KC had been built on Holderness Road, would FC have taken up an offer to play there?'"
Probably we started out on Holderness Road.
The fact is Holderness road was never going to happen. West park was the more logical choice. If they wanted to pick East Park and spend hundreds of millions on road links then I'm sure Hull would have been happy to move there. Afterall FC are a club from all of hull, More than half our season pass holders live east, don't you know.
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| Quote Gordon Gekko="Gordon Gekko"
On top of this the work must be carried out by local contractors and materials must be supplied by local companies in order to assist the local economy.'"
I can see the political attractions in that from everybody's POV, but it could be dangerous. Firstly it'd have to be done on a nod and a wink, because it'd be illegally protectionist. If Hull-based firms don't represent best value to the taxpayer that could kick up a different type of stink, especially if any have links to councillors. And if Hull gets a reputation for this sort of thing, it could disadvantage its firms when they bid for contratcs in other cities.
I'm not saying don't do it, just to be careful, sensible and not use it openly/officially as a selling point.
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| Quote Gordon Gekko="Gordon Gekko"I'm sure Rovers made that point the previous half a dozen times they've taken cash off the council.'"
I’ve no idea how many times HKR have had money from the council, but whether it be once, twice or a hundred times how much will it really equate too when compared with the 40 Million spent in West Park...
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| A local stadium for local people.
Still can't do pictures.
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| Quote Gordon Gekko="Gordon Gekko"I wouldn't have any problem with the council upgrading CP providing it represents value to the taxpayer. The KC was built from one off funds and wasn't built purely for Hull City and Hull FC but the wider community. If HCC are to fund any stadia improvements then imho the land and buildings must be wholly owned by HCC and the whole facility must be run by an independant management committee along the same lines as the SMC with the remit of getting VFM for the ratepayers of Hull.
On top of this the work must be carried out by [ulocal contractors and materials must be supplied by local companies [/uin order to assist the local economy.'"
That would break pretty well every procuremnt rule in the book.
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| Quote retro_muz="retro_muz"I’ve no idea how many times HKR have had money from the council, but whether it be once, twice or a hundred times how much will it really equate too when compared with the 40 Million spent in West Park...'"
So, Hull have sole use of the stadium, all the offices, all the surrounding sports pitches and every other facility at the stadium, for free? If thats not the case then its a bit of blairesque spin to say Hull have had 40 million spent on them.
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| Quote Mild Rover="Mild Rover"I can see the political attractions in that from everybody's POV, but it could be dangerous. Firstly it'd have to be done on a nod and a wink, because it'd be illegally protectionist. If Hull-based firms don't represent best value to the taxpayer that could kick up a different type of stink, especially if any have links to councillors. And if Hull gets a reputation for this sort of thing, it could disadvantage its firms when they bid for contratcs in other cities.
I'm not saying don't do it, just to be careful, sensible and not use it openly/officially as a selling point.'"
Local councils can and do require that contractors meet certain conditions. There is nothing wrong with Hull City council requiring that some or all of the work be carried out by local contractors. The value requirement would still exist but it would be which company, after deciding all those which meet other criteria (location, size, competence, timescales etc.) will charge the lowest price.
There is certainly no need for a "nod and a wink" basis for selecting the most suitable contractor.
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| Quote Barnacle Bill="Barnacle Bill"
There is certainly no need for a "nod and a wink" basis for selecting the most suitable contractor.'"
No, but there is if you have predetermined that you are using local contractors, irrespective of whether they are most suitable. You can define suitability in such a way as to make your desired outcome more likely, but this requires at least a little subtlety. What you can't do is come out and openly guarantee the work to local firms - as I understand it, anyway.
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| Quote retro_muz="retro_muz"I’ve no idea how many times HKR have had money from the council, but whether it be once, twice or a hundred times how much will it really equate too when compared with the 40 Million spent in West Park...'"
That £40m was spent on a facility that would benefit the city as a whole. Its location is irrelevant.
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