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Quote: chas1hkr "If devolping youth is playing the likes of latus and murrell in front of younger players then he's not doing his job,too many people on here who think our players are better than they really are.Also when the under 20's get beat by as many as they did last night then there is not much coming through,probably more morgan's fault than sandercock.Transition is just an excuse as other clubs have new coaches as well and they are all not struggling,our neighbours unfortunately being one of them.At the end of the day injuries should affect your cohesion in attack,but we have no problem,we just have a defence with more holes in it than a string vest and that should have been put right by now.Wrong appointment IMO.'"

I thought Murrell had a good game at 6 for us last night, as he did against Huddersfield last week. Fair enough if we have a Lomax or Gaskill in the 20's play them, but to the best of my knowledge we don't.
I noticed in an earlier post Murrell was one of the players listed to go at the end of the season, I would suggest that his utility value alone would make him well worth retaining.

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Quote: chas1hkr "If devolping youth is playing the likes of latus and murrell in front of younger players then he's not doing his job,too many people on here who think our players are better than they really are.Also when the under 20's get beat by as many as they did last night then there is not much coming through,probably more morgan's fault than sandercock.Transition is just an excuse as other clubs have new coaches as well and they are all not struggling,our neighbours unfortunately being one of them.At the end of the day injuries should affect your cohesion in attack,but we have no problem,we just have a defence with more holes in it than a string vest and that should have been put right by now.Wrong appointment IMO.'"


You're entitled to your opinion but I think you're over reacting.

Youth results aren't particularly important, it's whether we get a through put to the first team that's important. Now, let's also understand that a good hit rate is probably only about one player coming through every other season and our academy is only just past the fledgling stage.

Transition isn't an excuse, it's where we are.

We need and should give Sandercock until at least the middle of next season, no club ever succeeds by changing the coach every six months.

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Another point about youth is bringing them through in the correct way, let's play them all, see them get smashed and then ruined for the rest of their careers, that'll work!

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Think I said in the predictions it could be a 4 point swing either way. A couple of big moments in the game. When at 28-22 up, you went for goal with still 20 minutes to go. Whereas you were breaking through our defence at will. I think you only got down our end once after that. In contrast, with 13 minutes to go, 2 points down, we opted not to kick to tie the game. He who dares....

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Quote: chas1hkr "If devolping youth is playing the likes of latus and murrell in front of younger players then he's not doing his job,too many people on here who think our players are better than they really are.Also when the under 20's get beat by as many as they did last night then there is not much coming through,probably more morgan's fault than sandercock.Transition is just an excuse as other clubs have new coaches as well and they are all not struggling,our neighbours unfortunately being one of them.At the end of the day injuries should affect your cohesion in attack,but we have no problem,we just have a defence with more holes in it than a string vest and that should have been put right by now.Wrong appointment IMO.'"


So we have no youth coming thru' - playing the likes of Latus/Murrell over no one, is hardly not doing your job. Just on that, Latus never played and Murrell had a solid game, hell he even made a try assist break.

Part of Sandercock's remit was to oversee our entire youth set up. He can't do that within a few months .... He's not a miracle worker (your words)

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Quote: chas1hkr "If we really want to challenge in the future,then we need some quality over and above what has already signed otherwise the new coach will need to be a miracle worker.Dont think we have got one player who would get in warrington or wigan's team,people may disagree but its the truth.'"


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Quote: Towns88 "Think I said in the predictions it could be a 4 point swing either way. A couple of big moments in the game. When at 28-22 up, you went for goal with still 20 minutes to go. Whereas you were breaking through our defence at will. I think you only got down our end once after that. In contrast, with 13 minutes to go, 2 points down, we opted not to kick to tie the game. He who dares....Rodney'"


Fair point. Stick or twist.

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Quote: Towns88 "Think I said in the predictions it could be a 4 point swing either way. A couple of big moments in the game. When at 28-22 up, you went for goal with still 20 minutes to go. Whereas you were breaking through our defence at will. I think you only got down our end once after that. In contrast, with 13 minutes to go, 2 points down, we opted not to kick to tie the game. He who dares....'"

I don't know if you were the Cas fan stood next to us (with blonde daughter) because if not he made the exact same point, we actually let Cas off the hook by doing this as we were really pressurising their line at this point.

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Quote: Dudley "Think I said in the predictions it could be a 4 point swing either way. A couple of big moments in the game. When at 28-22 up, you went for goal with still 20 minutes to go. Whereas you were breaking through our defence at will. I think you only got down our end once after that. In contrast, with 13 minutes to go, 2 points down, we opted not to kick to tie the game. He who dares....'"

I don't know if you were the Cas fan stood next to us (with blonde daughter) because if not he made the exact same point, we actually let Cas off the hook by doing this as we were really pressurising their line at this point.'"


I thought this was the big moment in the game as you say, I thought that Rovers would have almost certainly scored given the fragility of our defence in that period of the game.
I did feel it was an unusual match really, as I felt both teams combined spells of great attacking rugby with silly mistakes and poor defence, with quite a lot of inconsistency throughout the match. I was hugely impressed by (I forget his name, number 20, Cox I believe?!) and the ever impressive Dobson. I remember seeing the young second row play in the 9s tournament not long back and thought he looked decent, glad to see he's made it into the first team.
On a final note, just seeing what Sandercock has said about the "turning point" of the game, I'm really suprised by this, as I thought the player could have/should have been penalised for a voluntary tackle, as did a couple of Rovers fans next to me, so I find that one puzzling. Having said that I'm sure once you get game breakers like Blake Green, Ben Galea etc back you'll go up a notch.
Best of luck for the rest of the season!

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Quote: Dudley "I don't know if you were the Cas fan stood next to us (with blonde daughter) because if not he made the exact same point, we actually let Cas off the hook by doing this as we were really pressurising their line at this point.'"



hahaha no. No love child for me just yet. It was a strange game at times. late in the second half, when we kicked twice on the last tackle from one side of the field to the other, then eventually got 6 more from it. A sign of 2 teams who struggle defensively.

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Quote: Dudley "I thought Murrell had a good game at 6 for us last night, as he did against Huddersfield last week. Fair enough if we have a Lomax or Gaskill in the 20's play them, but to the best of my knowledge we don't.
I noticed in an earlier post Murrell was one of the players listed to go at the end of the season, I would suggest that his utility value alone would make him well worth retaining.'"


Murrell did have another good game last night, waltzed through the Cas line to set up our last try.

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We need to learn to put the shutters up and close games out. Our attack looks ok but as we know our defence is shocking, CS has got to be given time to sort this out IMO. He's still learning his way and things haven't gone the way he'd have liked so far but hopefully hell get there.
Regarding Scott Murrell, I thought he did well again last night, one of our better performers.
Another thing that baffles me is our inability to stop offloads.

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Quote: bishops finger "I'm not gonna blame the ref, if we can't tackle then we will lose, Cas had more enthusiasm than us, they deserved it, we got what we deserved, nothing.'"


I agree, if you don't tackle you won't win, but when you are tackling set after set its an almost certainty that you will concede tries. I was stood on the terracing below the score board and the try that was disallowed looked good, how he gave a tap 22 was anyones guess. I have no confidence in Hicks as a referee, he makes far too many mistakes at crucial points in games and as one poster said a while back, he is a 'homer' and tends to favour home sides. I said to my wife at 28-18 that I expected him to give a few penalties to even things up and I was right, not because I was being alarmist, but because I have witnessed Hicks refereeing too many times to come to any other conclusion.

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Quote: rover49 "I agree, if you don't tackle you won't win, but when you are tackling set after set its an almost certainty that you will concede tries. I was stood on the terracing below the score board and the try that was disallowed looked good, how he gave a tap 22 was anyones guess. I have no confidence in Hicks as a referee, he makes far too many mistakes at crucial points in games and as one poster said a while back, he is a 'homer' and tends to favour home sides. I said to my wife at 28-18 that I expected him to give a few penalties to even things up and I was right, not because I was being alarmist, but because I have witnessed Hicks refereeing too many times to come to any other conclusion.'"


5 losses, 5 crap refs?
Lol. Get over it, you are a small club with a VERY small fan base. HKR are being found out....at last.

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We got what we dederved last night. we made an ordinary pack look like world beaters. Not sure why but our middle defence was shocking, we never once seemed to be able to put a player down.
the ref never lost us the game, we managed that on our own. Whether it was conditioning or just atitude we underestimated cas. Sandercock needs to stop blaming the ref, hes turning into ne wenger, take a bit of blame on the chin, we played dum rugby and need to smarten up.

We need a leader out there on the pitch, missing that big style so far this year.

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We're still one of the least intelligent teams in the league, some of our play calls are so thick as to be laughable. I reckon if I sat down and tried I could probably guess what play we'd be going with in the three tackles time about eighty per cent of the time, so proper coaches must laugh their cocks off.

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