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| Right now, Rovers are in a dark place. 1 fortunate point from 6, key players injured, less than 17 fit players, poor squad quality, small squad, playing badly without passion or desire. Outlook bleak in the short term. A team led by a coach that most fans now want to see the back of. The same usually loyal and passionate fans, frustrated and subdued throughout, that perhaps justifiably booed the team at the end of a home game following their abject performance against a disciplined but average Wakefield team.
So following that summary, here's a 10 point plan of what I would do against Saints. The first 5 relate to team changes, the second 5 to game plan.
1 - Sio to fullback, he's wasted on the wing
2 - Minns to right centre. Should never have been dropped for the below average Salter anyway. Plus Salter has injured his shoulder again
3 - Blair to interim captain. Horne should be dropped on current form if I had my way, but injuries forcing our hand. He may improve without the captaincy burden
4 - Shaw to start at right wing, if Cockayne unfit. Take over the kicking duties, in the event we score a try
5 - Play Greenwood at loose forward. Horne to interchange with Lawler at hooker
6 - Tempo. Play with greater intensity and speed. Get into the faces of Walsh and Wilkins. Run the ball hard at these 2 as they can't tackle
7 - Support Play. Use support runners. Start doing it automatically
8 - Defence. Stop conceding yards after contact. Don't switch off at the ruck. Maintain line speed in defence
9 - Attacking lines. Attack the ball at speed with straighter or more angled runs. Kick for field position. Kick further into touch on penalties.
10 - Passing. Pass faster, crisper and flatter. We need more passing practice
How much of this do you agree with. Have I missed owt?
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| We used the link play with Cockayne round the back a gazillion times and it just didnt work. It was all very laboured (like all of our attacking play)and Sio may benefit from playing fullback.
Considering how reliable Horne was last year he has been totally gash this year and should be dropped, but for lack of bodies he is in the team.
We seem short of natural leaders or players that really lead by example,, so Blair would probably be my choice too.
Lawler is doing a decent job at hooker and not sure who could rotate with him tbh. Not sure who the academy players are or whether they would be good enough.
With the odd exception in the odd set, every player is taking the ball stood still, no one seems to 'come on the burst' any more. We rarely get a team on the back foot and this is probably due to the lack of tempo, are we fitter than last year, is it due to ack of fitness... i dont know.
Our completion rate is killing us, I would guess its under 70% for the season. Countless times we give the ball away early in the tackle count and in good field position. We rarely build any pressure and let teams off the hook.
With regards to a game plan, do they really need telling to back up, tackle etc, surely its an integral part of the game and should be in the DNA of a rugby professional. Chester doesnt appear to have any sort of gameplan suited to play to the opposition weaknesses or indeed our strengths (assuming we have any right now!)
Not sure what the answer is as if I did I would be in a different profession, but what I do know is that something has to change or its going to be a fight for Super league survival come October.
Not feeling very optimistic at all!!
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| you need props and you have no one in charge you are rudderless Kelly seems fed up
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| The start of the second half summed it up for me. Short kick off, floated ball in the air, both Kelly and Sio jump for it, result..........knock on. Dumb rugby and also the Communication is just not there. The lack of a leader is killing us. Blair is my obvious choice but even he isn't vocal enough. Campese is such a massive loss to us. But, the buck stops at Chester. Would you imagine the furore if this was Sandercock coaching us since the Cup final?! Chester is on borrowed time and the longer Rob and Neil dither about the less time we have to sort it out. I fully expect a 1000 fewer on Friday (and that includes me!).
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| Quote: Hessle rover " I fully expect a 1000 fewer on Friday (and that includes me!).'"
On TV, city at home and on TV and the dross being served up I reckon it'll be well down on numbers
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| Quote: Hessle rover "The start of the second half summed it up for me. Short kick off, floated ball in the air, both Kelly and Sio jump for it, result..........knock on. Dumb rugby and also the Communication is just not there. The lack of a leader is killing us. Blair is my obvious choice but even he isn't vocal enough. Campese is such a massive loss to us. But, the buck stops at Chester. Would you imagine the furore if this was Sandercock coaching us since the Cup final?! Chester is on borrowed time and the longer Rob and Neil dither about the less time we have to sort it out. I fully expect a 1000 fewer on Friday (and that includes me!).'"
I think you may be over optimistic in your estimation of a 1000 fewer supporters been there on Friday, that's if the comments by many around me in the east stand and in the pubs afterwards are anything to go by, plus the fact that its on Sky will also have a bearing on it of course.
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| Quote: Pickering Red "Right now, Rovers are in a dark place. 1 fortunate point from 6, key players injured, less than 17 fit players, poor squad quality, small squad, playing badly without passion or desire. Outlook bleak in the short term. A team led by a coach that most fans now want to see the back of. The same usually loyal and passionate fans, frustrated and subdued throughout, that perhaps justifiably booed the team at the end of a home game following their abject performance against a disciplined but average Wakefield team.
So following that summary, here's a 10 point plan of what I would do against Saints. The first 5 relate to team changes, the second 5 to game plan.
1 - Sio to fullback, he's wasted on the wing
2 - Minns to right centre. Should never have been dropped for the below average Salter anyway. Plus Salter has injured his shoulder again
3 - Blair to interim captain. Horne should be dropped on current form if I had my way, but injuries forcing our hand. He may improve without the captaincy burden
4 - Shaw to start at right wing, if Cockayne unfit. Take over the kicking duties, in the event we score a try
5 - Play Greenwood at loose forward. Horne to interchange with Lawler at hooker
6 - Tempo. Play with greater intensity and speed. Get into the faces of Walsh and Wilkins. Run the ball hard at these 2 as they can't tackle
7 - Support Play. Use support runners. Start doing it automatically
8 - Defence. Stop conceding yards after contact. Don't switch off at the ruck. Maintain line speed in defence
9 - Attacking lines. Attack the ball at speed with straighter or more angled runs. Kick for field position. Kick further into touch on penalties.
10 - Passing. Pass faster, crisper and flatter. We need more passing practice
How much of this do you agree with. Have I missed owt?'"
you have got the right idea it will soon be time for another coach do you fancy the job bring your own team
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| Quote: cravenpark1 "you have got the right idea it will soon be time for another coach do you fancy the job bring your own team'"
Thanks mate. However, Stan's the man for the job. He put forward a belting team for the Wire game. Instead, we fielded a younger side and ended up on the end of a 6 try beating.
I mean. Would you have picked Horne ahead of Sit Down, Waldo? Or Cockayne ahead of Burtons Forearm? I rest my case.
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| The standard of our passing probably merits a thread of its own.
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| Quote: Sit down, Waldo "The standard of our passing probably merits a thread of its own.'"
Especially from dummy half. How many times have we seen the first receiver have to jump up high just to catch the ball hence stopping all momentum.
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| Quote: Seventies red "I think you may be over optimistic in your estimation of a 1000 fewer supporters been there on Friday, that's if the comments by many around me in the east stand and in the pubs afterwards are anything to go by, plus the fact that its on Sky will also have a bearing on it of course.'"
Allegedly, all passholders are counted regardless of actually attending or not. If this is true, then I expect the announced attendance will be 6,831, with the actual being sub-6k.
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| The only change I would make is DITCH the 'restraints' Chester has placed on each player to cover for the absence of Campo and Lunt.
The incident of unforced errors and headless chicken plays are a direct product of these restraints.
To me this is worse than square pegs in round holes.
Rovers squad is full of talented players and to see them stifled by a rigid conservative game plan which Chester has adopted is a difficult pill to swallow. Its obvious the players don't like it and who are not enjoying their rugby; fundamentally, it is an approach that is alien to the players.
To Chester it is probably a rational approach but he has seen it 'busted' twice in pre-season and three times in the league. Surely the penny has dropped? Surely he isn't blind?
Its time to abandon this folly and bring back the champagne approach. I would rather see the team beaten playing to their strengths than being beaten by restraints.
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| Horne is pretty average. He had one good season laet year and now gone backwards. His passes from dummy half were either too high or hit the ground. Horne has become a liability as a playmaker but makes decent ground with ball in hand.
Lawler is doing well so no need to change.
Walker was brilliant, his leg drives set the platform for a lot of our attacks.
I defended Tilse for a little but is doing nothing. His defence is ok but in attack he goes missing apart from taking the ball every third set. A big bloke like him should be chomping at the bit to hammer in the opponents line.
Kelly lookedva little sharper. The occasional chip over was good to see, but not quite sticking at the mo. At least he offered something different.
The two big issues we have are:
1. No goal kicker. We could have easily won with Josh in the side.
2. No game or team management. We look like a bunch of talented individuals.
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| Quote: Hessle rover "Especially from dummy half. How many times have we seen the first receiver have to jump up high just to catch the ball hence stopping all momentum.'"
I noticed this when you were playing us, poor old Kelly must have taken about 4 balls with fingertips down at his feet, and another 4-5 thrown over his head.
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| Quote: Gallanteer "Horne is pretty average. He had one good season laet year and now gone backwards. His passes from dummy half were either too high or hit the ground. Horne has become a liability as a playmaker but makes decent ground with ball in hand.
Lawler is doing well so no need to change.
Walker was brilliant, his leg drives set the platform for a lot of our attacks.
I defended Tilse for a little but is doing nothing. His defence is ok but in attack he goes missing apart from taking the ball every third set. A big bloke like him should be chomping at the bit to hammer in the opponents line.
Kelly lookedva little sharper. The occasional chip over was good to see, but not quite sticking at the mo. At least he offered something different.
The two big issues we have are
Horne is a back up forward at best not a game breaker, Walker is going OK but remember last season he was back up to the starting props, Tilse is what he is a solid front rower again not an impact player (I would not use a quota place on him) Dixon proved last year he is a good kicker & needs to keep trying. Kelly will only get better as long as he has the team around him is going forward. There is no doubt we are a pair of big agressive monster forwards short of a team I suspect the reason is that they are not out there or if they are we can't aford them/they don't want to come here?
Any way on with the season & if people don't turn up thats thier problem! Me I support Rovers & turn up whenever I can, How we are going is of no consequence to me although I prefer a win.
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