especially with these debts. www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/sportbulls/

especially with these debts. www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/sportbulls/

I wouldnt want any club to go through what the bulls players, staff and fans have been through but it would be intresting to see if other clubs got the same help off the rfl that the bulls got ? I doubt it
im 50/50 on bulls been allowed to stay , yes for the fans but no for the likes of teams outside the sl

Ok has paid only 150k for the club and the admin fees are near 200k so creditors get nothing so far !
Does OK have any of his own cash as he will pay any CVA out of the Club's income not his pocket and will not spend a penny on Odsal unless he gets grants and he gets a viable business plan for any pound spent by him.
Sensible business - yes but no real Spends from OK

They will trim Cap to about 1 million so why not let Fax/Leigh/Fev in who will spend the same ? Bulls will look to shaft creditors in a CVA I imagine

I have to say I am shocked by how little it has cost the new owners. Surely the administrator would have raised more 'cash' by selling players and fixtures & fittings etc than the paultry £250k (£100k deferred until 2015?). Surely the SLE offer was greater than a quarter of a million? If I were a creditor I would not be happy at all.

At this juncture it is unclear whether a CVA will be entered into (which automatically contravenes SL membership) or what has been bought by the newco, or whether the 'deal' will be challenged by the preferential creditors (which wouldn't surprise me), so at the moment I am unable to offer a thumbs up or thumbs down for the Bulls SL status.

No.

If their was a poll i bet 90 percent would be against them staying in sl i say no

The OK Bulls have never been in SL before, so not sure how they can 'stay' TBH.

The Bradford Bulls - the sports club formerly owned by BBH and now owned by OK Bulls - should stay or go based on how good a case their new owners can build for their inclusion compared to any potential replacements.

As Mr. Mild Rover has been saying, it does rather make a mockery of the licensing process when what is effectively a new company just rocks up and gets awarded one at the drop of a hat.

I also can't get used to this new name of OK Bulls without thinking of Chinese food.

One order of Jill Yuen noodles with OK Bulls sauce to go my good man, and make it snappy, I'm a hungry goose.

So, the Bulls are OUT of SL at the end of the campaign, lets hope there is a fair process by which the replacement for the Bulls is selected and not just the expected rubber stamping of the new club into SL.

Your play on wording is interesting, I wonder if the OK Bulls (should they be accepted into SL) will claim the history (and titles won) of the old Bulls club, similar to what happened with the club formed in 1999 and not 1865 a few years ago.

It hasn't been decided yet whether the Bulls are out of SL at the end of the season or not.

It's not a play on wording - it's how things actually are. Bradford Bulls are a sports club that was formerly owned by Bradford Bulls (Holdings) Ltd. and are now owned by OK Bulls Limited. It's the same club with different owners. I realise this is a difficult concept for some to grasp, but it's actually very simple and quite widespread amongst sports clubs in general.

If licensing is to retain any credibility and by extension relevance, they have to go.

At heart, I'm a pragmatist, so I'd probably let them in if I was convinced by their plan. I'm also a realist though, so would acknowledge that the current system as it was presented was no longer tenable and had failed. I'd then want a different system under which I was unburdened of the constraints of licensing (eg franchising) or the responsibilty of selection (eg P&R).
Licensing turned out to be a thirdway-esque fudge - pretty enough on cursory inspection but very brittle.

Not really, that would make it a comparable situation to Pearson buying Hull of Hetherington and Co.

BBH have failed in their responsibilities as set out in their licence to Bradford Bulls RLFC, The RFL and the ESL A new company has come along and taken over the name of Bradford Bulls RLFC.

So, does the licence sit with the club or the owners?

I'm not saying that Bradford should necessarily be wanged out, but it does make a bit of a farce of the administration of the game.

In a nutshell.

If the licence is assigned to the club and any failures to departing owners, then a club is unlikely to ever fail and exists as franchise for as long as and as often as new people are willing to take over. In principle... if the system had principles.

Had quite a good Gordian Knot analogy lined up, but it has been ruined by my imagining Nigel Wood as Alexander the Great. All oiled up and that.

Yak.

I think he'd be more likely to use burger grease than oil.

No, kick them out!