FORUMS FORUMS



  
FORUMS > Hull KR > Should the OK Bulls be allowed to stay in SL
36 posts in 3 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, R.B.A , Anakin Skywalker , Mild Rover
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach225No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2017Aug 2017LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED





RankPostsTeam
International Star5202
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 201213 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jan 2018Jan 2018LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



I wouldnt want any club to go through what the bulls players, staff and fans have been through but it would be intresting to see if other clubs got the same help off the rfl that the bulls got ? I doubt it
im 50/50 on bulls been allowed to stay , yes for the fans but no for the likes of teams outside the sl

RankPostsTeam
Club Owner3699
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200421 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Ok has paid only 150k for the club and the admin fees are near 200k so creditors get nothing so far !
Does OK have any of his own cash as he will pay any CVA out of the Club's income not his pocket and will not spend a penny on Odsal unless he gets grants and he gets a viable business plan for any pound spent by him.
Sensible business - yes but no real Spends from OK

They will trim Cap to about 1 million so why not let Fax/Leigh/Fev in who will spend the same ? Bulls will look to shaft creditors in a CVA I imagine

RankPostsTeam
International Star1326No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 201113 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jun 2017Jun 2017LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



I have to say I am shocked by how little it has cost the new owners. Surely the administrator would have raised more 'cash' by selling players and fixtures & fittings etc than the paultry £250k (£100k deferred until 2015?). Surely the SLE offer was greater than a quarter of a million? If I were a creditor I would not be happy at all.

At this juncture it is unclear whether a CVA will be entered into (which automatically contravenes SL membership) or what has been bought by the newco, or whether the 'deal' will be challenged by the preferential creditors (which wouldn't surprise me), so at the moment I am unable to offer a thumbs up or thumbs down for the Bulls SL status.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach13190No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 200718 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Feb 2020Oct 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



No.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach2862
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200915 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Dec 2017Dec 2017LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



If their was a poll i bet 90 percent would be against them staying in sl i say no

RankPostsTeam
Moderator36786
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 200321 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2024May 2023LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED

Moderator


The OK Bulls have never been in SL before, so not sure how they can 'stay' TBH.

The Bradford Bulls - the sports club formerly owned by BBH and now owned by OK Bulls - should stay or go based on how good a case their new owners can build for their inclusion compared to any potential replacements.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach11924
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 200718 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Aug 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



As Mr. Mild Rover has been saying, it does rather make a mockery of the licensing process when what is effectively a new company just rocks up and gets awarded one at the drop of a hat.

I also can't get used to this new name of OK Bulls without thinking of Chinese food.

One order of Jill Yuen noodles with OK Bulls sauce to go my good man, and make it snappy, I'm a hungry goose.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach13190No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 200718 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Feb 2020Oct 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Kosh "The OK Bulls have never been in SL before, so not sure how they can 'stay' TBH.

The Bradford Bulls - the sports club formerly owned by BBH and now owned by OK Bulls - should stay or go based on how good a case their new owners can build for their inclusion compared to any potential replacements.'"


So, the Bulls are OUT of SL at the end of the campaign, lets hope there is a fair process by which the replacement for the Bulls is selected and not just the expected rubber stamping of the new club into SL.

Your play on wording is interesting, I wonder if the OK Bulls (should they be accepted into SL) will claim the history (and titles won) of the old Bulls club, similar to what happened with the club formed in 1999 and not 1865 a few years ago.

RankPostsTeam
Moderator36786
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 200321 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2024May 2023LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED

Moderator


Quote: rover49 "So, the Bulls are OUT of SL at the end of the campaign, lets hope there is a fair process by which the replacement for the Bulls is selected and not just the expected rubber stamping of the new club into SL.

Your play on wording is interesting, I wonder if the OK Bulls (should they be accepted into SL) will claim the history (and titles won) of the old Bulls club, similar to what happened with the club formed in 1999 and not 1865 a few years ago.'"

It hasn't been decided yet whether the Bulls are out of SL at the end of the season or not.

It's not a play on wording - it's how things actually are. Bradford Bulls are a sports club that was formerly owned by Bradford Bulls (Holdings) Ltd. and are now owned by OK Bulls Limited. It's the same club with different owners. I realise this is a difficult concept for some to grasp, but it's actually very simple and quite widespread amongst sports clubs in general.

RankPostsTeam
Moderator12647
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200717 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED

Moderator


If licensing is to retain any credibility and by extension relevance, they have to go.

At heart, I'm a pragmatist, so I'd probably let them in if I was convinced by their plan. I'm also a realist though, so would acknowledge that the current system as it was presented was no longer tenable and had failed. I'd then want a different system under which I was unburdened of the constraints of licensing (eg franchising) or the responsibilty of selection (eg P&R).
Licensing turned out to be a thirdway-esque fudge - pretty enough on cursory inspection but very brittle.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach11924
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 200718 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Aug 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Kosh "It hasn't been decided yet whether the Bulls are out of SL at the end of the season or not.

It's not a play on wording - it's how things actually are. Bradford Bulls are a sports club that was formerly owned by Bradford Bulls (Holdings) Ltd. and are now owned by OK Bulls Limited. It's the same club with different owners. I realise this is a difficult concept for some to grasp, but it's actually very simple and quite widespread amongst sports clubs in general.'"


Not really, that would make it a comparable situation to Pearson buying Hull of Hetherington and Co.

BBH have failed in their responsibilities as set out in their licence to Bradford Bulls RLFC, The RFL and the ESL A new company has come along and taken over the name of Bradford Bulls RLFC.

So, does the licence sit with the club or the owners?

I'm not saying that Bradford should necessarily be wanged out, but it does make a bit of a farce of the administration of the game.

RankPostsTeam
Moderator12647
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 200717 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED

Moderator


Quote: Sandra The Terrorist "
So, does the licence sit with the club or the owners?
'"


In a nutshell.

If the licence is assigned to the club and any failures to departing owners, then a club is unlikely to ever fail and exists as franchise for as long as and as often as new people are willing to take over. In principle... if the system had principles.

Had quite a good Gordian Knot analogy lined up, but it has been ruined by my imagining Nigel Wood as Alexander the Great. All oiled up and that.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach11924
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 200718 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Aug 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Yak.

I think he'd be more likely to use burger grease than oil.

RankPostsTeam
International Star554No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 201212 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Apr 2013Dec 2012LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



No, kick them out!

36 posts in 3 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, R.B.A , Anakin Skywalker , Mild Rover
36 posts in 3 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, R.B.A , Anakin Skywalker , Mild Rover



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


2.1748046875:10
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
4m
Shirt reveal coming soon
Trojan Horse
50
6m
2025 Kit
Marvin Goola
17
12m
Ground Improvements
Trojan Horse
233
Recent
2025 Squad Numbers
Jake the Peg
12
Recent
Realistic targets for 2025
Jake the Peg
143
Recent
Pre Season - 2025
Armavinit
213
Recent
Film game
karetaker
5859
Recent
Matty Ashurst testimonial dinner
Big lads mat
1
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
3m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40832
3m
2025 Squad Numbers
Jake the Peg
12
3m
How many games will we win
Wollo-Wollo-
54
6m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63297
6m
2025 Recruitment
bowlinboy
228
8m
Pre Season - 2025
Armavinit
213
8m
Super League
FIL
25
9m
Leeds away first up
FIL
51
9m
Castleford sack Lingard
FIL
17
9m
2025 Season tickets
BarnsleyGull
223
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Matty Ashurst testimonial dinner
Big lads mat
1
TODAY
2025 Squad Numbers
Jake the Peg
12
TODAY
England Women Las Vegas train-on squad
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Quiz night
H.G.S.A
1
TODAY
Co-Captains for 2025
MjM
15
TODAY
Cornwall has a new owner
CM Punk
2
TODAY
Callum Shaw
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Squad Numbers
phe13
4
TODAY
Rhinos squad numbers
Rixy
1
TODAY
Squad numbers
Warrior Wing
8
TODAY
Mat Crowther pre season update
Dunkirk Spir
1
TODAY
Mike Cooper podcast
Wires71
10
TODAY
Shirt reveal coming soon
Trojan Horse
50
TODAY
Opening Championship and League One Fixtures for 2025 Released
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
POSTSONLINEREGISTRATIONSRECORD
19.65M 1,643 80,15614,103
LOGIN HERE
or REGISTER for more features!.

When you register you get access to the live match scores, live match chat and you can post in the discussions on the forums.
RLFANS Match Centre
 Thu 13th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
20:00
Wigan
v
Leigh
 Fri 14th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
20:00
Hull KR
v
Castleford
20:00
Catalans
v
Hull FC
 Sat 15th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
15:00
Leeds
v
Wakefield
17:30
St.Helens
v
Salford
       Championship 2025-R1
18:00
Toulouse
v
Widnes
 Sun 16th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Warrington
       Championship 2025-R1
15:00
Bradford
v
LondonB
15:00
Featherstone
v
Doncaster
15:00
Oldham
v
York
15:00
Sheffield
v
Halifax
15:00
Barrow
v
Hunslet
 Thu 20th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
20:00
Wakefield
v
Hull KR
 Fri 21st Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
20:00
Warrington
v
Catalans
20:00
Hull FC
v
Wigan
 Sat 22nd Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
15:00
Salford
v
Leeds
20:00
Castleford
v
St.Helens
 Sun 23rd Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
14:30
Leigh
v
Huddersfield
       League One 2025-R1
15:00
Cornwall
v
Workington
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Crusaders
ALL SCORES PROVIDED BY RLFANS.COM (SETTINGS)
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield-St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
4m
Shirt reveal coming soon
Trojan Horse
50
6m
2025 Kit
Marvin Goola
17
12m
Ground Improvements
Trojan Horse
233
Recent
2025 Squad Numbers
Jake the Peg
12
Recent
Realistic targets for 2025
Jake the Peg
143
Recent
Pre Season - 2025
Armavinit
213
Recent
Film game
karetaker
5859
Recent
Matty Ashurst testimonial dinner
Big lads mat
1
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
3m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40832
3m
2025 Squad Numbers
Jake the Peg
12
3m
How many games will we win
Wollo-Wollo-
54
6m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63297
6m
2025 Recruitment
bowlinboy
228
8m
Pre Season - 2025
Armavinit
213
8m
Super League
FIL
25
9m
Leeds away first up
FIL
51
9m
Castleford sack Lingard
FIL
17
9m
2025 Season tickets
BarnsleyGull
223
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Matty Ashurst testimonial dinner
Big lads mat
1
TODAY
2025 Squad Numbers
Jake the Peg
12
TODAY
England Women Las Vegas train-on squad
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Quiz night
H.G.S.A
1
TODAY
Co-Captains for 2025
MjM
15
TODAY
Cornwall has a new owner
CM Punk
2
TODAY
Callum Shaw
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Squad Numbers
phe13
4
TODAY
Rhinos squad numbers
Rixy
1
TODAY
Squad numbers
Warrior Wing
8
TODAY
Mat Crowther pre season update
Dunkirk Spir
1
TODAY
Mike Cooper podcast
Wires71
10
TODAY
Shirt reveal coming soon
Trojan Horse
50
TODAY
Opening Championship and League One Fixtures for 2025 Released
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!