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Hudgell in the HDM saying that fridays game is the 'most pointless derby since 2006' Just shows how broken the current league strutucre is imo. I say whoever is in the 17 come friday give it 100% get the win and send that lot back to hessle road with even more to be sorry about! RRTR. East Hull is wonderful!

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He’s not wrong.

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Quote: EastHullUTR "Hudgell in the HDM saying that fridays game is the 'most pointless derby since 2006' Just shows how broken the current league strutucre is imo. I say whoever is in the 17 come friday give it 100% get the win and send that lot back to hessle road with even more to be sorry about! RRTR. East Hull is wonderful!'"

It is the most pointless game ever it’s time to change the league structure for something better then what we have now

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He's not wrong at all. But nothing wrong with getting up for it, you reds

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Quote: EastHullUTR "Hudgell in the HDM saying that fridays game is the 'most pointless derby since 2006' Just shows how broken the current league strutucre is imo. I say whoever is in the 17 come friday give it 100% get the win and send that lot back to hessle road with even more to be sorry about! RRTR. East Hull is wonderful!'"


If the league structure was a 1 up 1 down or 2 up 2 down system this game would be equally pointless. The only difference being that we will be potentially resting players for the 8's.

What structure would work with a team nailled on 10th playing a team that has no chance of making the semi's or whatever the top four would be.

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Quote: barham red "If the league structure was a 1 up 1 down or 2 up 2 down system this game would be equally pointless. The only difference being that we will be potentially resting players for the 8's.

What structure would work with a team nailled on 10th playing a team that has no chance of making the semi's or whatever the top four would be.'"


It’s a fair point. No system is perfect from every perspective.

However, at least the 80 minutes and the result would matter in the normal way. I hope we win, of course, but i’m already looking beyond it to the 8s. When your first concern is avoiding injuries and suspensions for other games, it does unfortunately devalue this game.
I suspect i’ll spend more of the game fretting about players picking up knocks or the vagaries of the disciplinary process than who is scoring tries.

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The main reason this game is pointless is not the competition structure it is the timing of the fixture. Under any system there is always the likelihood that the final game will take place with most issues decided.

Had the game been scheduled for (say) 3 weeks ago it would have been highly relevant.

Not to say I am in favour of the 8's (I'm not) but whatever structure is in place next year the lesson is that if you don't want a dead rubber derby don't schedule it for last game of the regular season.

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Quote: His Bobness "The main reason this game is pointless is not the competition structure it is the timing of the fixture. Under any system there is always the likelihood that the final game will take place with most issues decided.

Had the game been scheduled for (say) 3 weeks ago it would have been highly relevant.

Not to say I am in favour of the 8's (I'm not) but whatever structure is in place next year the lesson is that if you don't want a dead rubber derby don't schedule it for last game of the regular season.'"


At the start of the season when fixtures were published, this was not dead cert to be a dead rubber. In fact, if results had been different just last weekend, this might still have been a must win game.

As it is, Hull need this more than us in terms of points into the S8s and to get back on the horse after last weekends (very funny) drubbing. It's on TV now, basically because Todd Carney might play.

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come 7.45 whoever is playing for either team will want to win, its a derby,

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Quote: EastHullUTR "Hudgell in the HDM saying that fridays game is the 'most pointless derby since 2006' Just shows how broken the current league strutucre is imo. I say whoever is in the 17 come friday give it 100% get the win and send that lot back to hessle road with even more to be sorry about! RRTR. East Hull is wonderful!'"



2006 - Hull were in SL and rovers in the championship. There were no derbies in 2006.

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Quote: Mild mannered Janitor "2006 - Hull were in SL and rovers in the championship. There were no derbies in 2006.'"


Thats the point, we were promoted in 2006 and there hasn't been a more pointless derby since we were promoted.

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Quote: His Bobness "The main reason this game is pointless is not the competition structure it is the timing of the fixture. Under any system there is always the likelihood that the final game will take place with most issues decided.

Had the game been scheduled for (say) 3 weeks ago it would have been highly relevant.

Not to say I am in favour of the 8's (I'm not) but whatever structure is in place next year the lesson is that if you don't want a dead rubber derby don't schedule it for last game of the regular season.'"


It's not so much just that it's a dead rubber - it's a dead rubber and we've got other more pressing concerns. If it was a 'normal' dead rubber game, we could at least just enjoy it as 80 minutes in of itself. Maybe even treat it as an end-of-season carnival, with each side having the chance to go into the off-season with a smile on their face. Now it just feels like a distraction, which is weird.

If it was make or break, as it could have been tbf, then that'd be horrible in a different way - but it'd be the first priority at least.

Just one of those things, with how things have turned out.

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Quote: Mild mannered Janitor "2006 - Hull were in SL and rovers in the championship. There were no derbies in 2006.'"


Unless he means this:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2006/ ... ague.sport

Although why preseason friendly derbies since have had more point, I'd be hard-pressed to say.

Maybe he just mis-spoke.
Quote: Mild mannered Janitor "2006 - Hull were in SL and rovers in the championship. There were no derbies in 2006.'"


Unless he means this:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2006/ ... ague.sport

Although why preseason friendly derbies since have had more point, I'd be hard-pressed to say.

Maybe he just mis-spoke.


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Quote: Mild mannered Janitor "Perhaps. I dont think pre-season friendlies should ever be compared with competitive games.


Been thinking about this statement and casting the old grey matter back to a derby where only local pride and bragging rights were the prize. I am thinking the last game of the season in 2008 when you beat Hull 36-8 at craven park, the week after Hull had lost at wembley to St's.'"


Aye - James Webster's only game for Hull iirc.

The derby you nilled us in towards the end of 2014 didn't have much riding on it, though there might still have been an outside chance of the play-offs?

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