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| How many players in your current squad would any other club want. Not more than a couple.
After every defeat the same old excuses
Game plan game management playing Horne in the centre didn't work last season so why now, this is only one of many I could highlight.
We were told our recruitment addressed our defence out wide ?
When our leaders return we will be ok, the same was said of Hilter and Mussolini.
Today against Hull was embarrassing the season ahead hold nothing but pain looking at what Chester has assembled.
The bottom line is there would be little or no point in changing things now god knows what Peacock must be thinking he has let himself in for.
If we could inject half of the plays and effort of the Castleford team who spend less than us in the salary cap I would be happy. We ain't ever going to win the league but it would be nice to have a consistent run of results.
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| Quote: Rover105 "How many players in your current squad would any other club want. Not more than a couple.
After every defeat the same old excuses
Game plan game management playing Horne in the centre didn't work last season so why now, this is only one of many I could highlight.
We were told our recruitment addressed our defence out wide ?
When our leaders return we will be ok, the same was said of Hilter and Mussolini.
Today against Hull was embarrassing the season ahead hold nothing but pain looking at what Chester has assembled.
The bottom line is there would be little or no point in changing things now god knows what Peacock must be thinking he has let himself in for.
If we could inject half of the plays and effort of the Castleford team who spend less than us in the salary cap I would be happy. We ain't ever going to win the league but it would be nice to have a consistent run of results.'"
STOP dreaming while chester is in charge we will win nothing he has to go now
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| Surely peacock has to shoulder some of the blame for your recruitment?
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| Quote: Rover105 "How many players in your current squad would any other club want. Not more than a couple.
After every defeat the same old excuses.
When our leaders return we will be ok, the same was said of Hilter and Mussolini.
Today against Hull was embarrassing the season ahead hold nothing but pain looking at what Chester has assembled.
The bottom line is there would be little or no point in changing things now god knows what Peacock must be thinking he has let himself in for.
If we could inject half of the plays and effort of the Castleford team who spend less than us in the salary cap I would be happy.'"
If we don't change things now, we will ship 50 points a game throughout the regular season.
I'm glad you quoted Cas, because they are a good example of a team that is well coached, plays with desire, and produces better than the sum of all its parts should. Darryl Powell has made a real difference to the team and its performances and results. Ditto Paul Anderson at the Giants.
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "Surely peacock has to shoulder some of the blame for your recruitment?'"
Tbf to Peacock, technically he's only been in post for about 3 weeks.
That said, there was always a nagging concern that what he learned playing for dominant teams with more cash to chuck at stuff than most of their rivals, would need significant adaptation for a team aspiring to mid-table in the short to medium term.
It's a weird situation, and on one level you want everyone to pull together. But on another, despite not having played a minute of competitive rugby in 2016, it feels like it might be too far gone. Normally, I'd be saying that is a massive over-reaction. But having spent the off-season hoping that my misgivings were baseless, because Chester knows much more about it than me, to hear him so shaken - well, it doesn't inspire confidence that he can fix it.
I think you have to give it 4 weeks or so - in part to make coherent alternative arrangements, but if it isn't getting significantly better by then there'll be no choice. I want the board to back him, for now. While it undermines that, I also hope they're working on a plan b.
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "Surely peacock has to shoulder some of the blame for your recruitment?'"
Exactly my thoughts 3 Leeds fringe players is all I can see at the moment
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| Rovers are never going to sack the coach in pre season, we're not a lower level Serie A team, and nor should we be.
I'm really not an advocate of swapping coaches, it's counterproductive unless you have a whole load of money to throw at a team, and we don't.
Our recruitment has been dire, we need to establish who has been responsible for that, I'm pretty sure I know.
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| I agree with Jake the Peg …..Motu Tony brought Pritchard, Manu and Fonua to Hull FC as their major signings ……Jamie Peacock brought Clarkson, Minns and Mulhern to Hull KR as their major signings (Thornley excluded, who, so far, has been as pap as the rest of the team anyway) ……Apparently Peacock has a five year plan for Rovers, which is why they have decided to invest in youth, but, that youth has to have talent and not just youth on their side ……I wonder if Peacock’s five year plan includes dropping down to the Championship ……If so, then I wonder if Peacock will be extending his five year plan to a ten year plan?
Out of all the Super League clubs this year, it is blatantly obvious that Hull KR have recruited the most poorly ……Well done, Rovers! ……Well done commemorating our tenth year anniversary in the Super League by making that year the most probable year we could drop out of the Super League! …..Well done, Rovers ……Great management!
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| Whilst it seems as though it is all going pear-shaped, it always seems ten times worse when we lose to FC, I think pause is needed to consider we are still in pre-season.
Yes, the defence is still (mickey) poor or more to the point taking the mickey, but I expected to lose on learning Chezzy had flogged the players during the week, and TBH I was pleased to see the effort in the final quarter by the players. They didn't give up even when stirring down the barrel.
I think most of us are sensible enough to know it will be tight getting into the Super8s but I feel with Campo and Lunt (the other half of the spine) we have a chance.
I know Rovers are better then the efforts they have shown in the trial games, they are basically the same side that turned over many of the top six), so between now and the season opener there is plenty of hard work and honesty needed to right the wrongs; Oh, and two things must not happen again in 2016 - Horne playing centre and a prop at loose.
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| Bottom line is that nearly every fan could see we needed some impact in the props and it was essential to get in quality into the 2nd row. Now if this was apparent to the fans what the hell did the coaching staff do about it?
Chester sounded shocked and stunned, why? No one else was, it was obvious is was going to happen all we have done in the off season is compound our weaknesses.
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| Quote: barham red "Bottom line is that nearly every fan could see we needed some impact in the props and it was essential to get in quality into the 2nd row. Now if this was apparent to the fans what the hell did the coaching staff do about it?
Chester sounded shocked and stunned, why? No one else was, it was obvious is was going to happen all we have done in the off season is compound our weaknesses.'"
Totally agree with you.
Ater finishing in the bottom 4 I, along with many others were concerned about our lightweight back row and was hoping for some big, busting aggressive signings. Watching others sign players it was evident that they were going for big, powerful and mobile packs, why couldn't Chester & co also see this.
When we didn't sign any decent players for key positions, instead going for backs I feared the worse and commented to a B&W mate of mine that 'FC would steamroller us' if we didn't sign some quality soon. Yesterday was not a surprise to most of us, but seemed to be a surprise to Chester & co, REALLY, if this is correct then you need to look for alternative employment as soon as possible, if I made such glaring mistakes in my job I would be shown the door immediately.
I have renewed my pass as I always do and will go to games as I always do to support whoever pulls on our shirt, but unless something significant happens very soon, I see us firmly anchored to the bottom of the table as Wakey, Widnes and Salford have all made better signings than us. I will be shocked if we keep Cas to 20 points on the opening day.
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| On the bright side, you won't be playing Frank and the rest of Hull's pack every week. You lacked leadership and organisation today so when campo and lunt are back you should be in a stronger position however, looking like the mid 8 again
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| I think at the end of last season the jury was out on Chester, with most (myself included) willing to say lets see how we go this season after a mediocre 2015. League form not great but a cup final gave us something to put a bit of gloss on despite the result.
That said, every rovers fan I know knew what our squad needed in terms of recruitment. Quite simply we haven't gone and got that, just signed more players in the mould of last seasons squad. When you compare our squad to the teams around us on paper you do wonder if we are spending the cap wisely, with big chunks taken by a few quality players rather than a balanced squad.
Yes it's only pre season so we might be over reacting, but the results and performances are so alarming that it's hard to believe we're going to improve on last year. His tone in interviews and such worries me, he clearly thought we were shaping up alright before the friendlies and after them he seems shocked. If he can't fix it in 2 months off season the task of fixing it in 2 weeks for the season proper is huge and I think he knows that.
Finally, in today's HDM quoted as saying 'we need a few bodies back out on the field' I'm sorry but it's clear we have a small squad he knew that and he knew we tend to struggle with injuries, you can't ignore that and then use it as an excuse. If we're struggling to cope now, how are we going to manage getting through a full season?
Bring on 2016.
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| Who are these few bodies? Campese and Lunt will add to our attacking structure but lets be honest neither will help our defence in fact I'd say Budebza and Marsh are better defenders.
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| My worries over this season have proved to be an issue. Yesterday it was men against boys, not in skill or effort but in size. FC players in every position 1 to 17 were physicaly bigger than ours. wingers the size of our props. Add to that the quality of the big blokes they have we were on the back foot from the off. It is no suprise that FC & the Giants beat us as both their coaches were part of the monster Bulls side that took super league by storm in the early years & have taken thier teams down the same path. I would hope Peacock will have some better conections with the new genaration of players & can find us a couple of monsters up front as I think that is what we are lacking. We have not replaced Weyman or Bailey with like for like. It showed last year & is showing again pre season. We have some prospects but they need experiance & an older head to play alongside or they will get wasted & burnt out before the season is half way through. I think it will be a hard ride this year but it won't all be bad (I hope)
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