Totally agree with the Ellis statement. He seems to perform when he chooses, he for me is a much bigger concern at 7 that Adbul is at 6.

they were all part time in 83 didn't make any difference then did it?

Wow, did you just refer to a game from 34 years ago to make a connection to a game played yesterday?



Doesn't change the fact that a team that train full-time should be beating a team of part-timers, who had to get up this morning to go to their day jobs.

So with that logic shouldn't you have beaten Leigh at home seeing as us as a championship team beat them away or put up a better fight against Salford

Seen as all the teams you mention are full-time, that doesn't really apply to the point I'm making. If we'd have dropped points vs a part-time team, then yeh fair point.

what do you mean like having cup winners 1904 and ,runners up in 1908 under all your posts,

oops forgot to mention runners up 1980

No, I don't mean like that all, as all that, just like the '83 cup final is irrelevant to the point following yesterday's game. It's a signature, not a post, you understand the difference?

Of course it applies your saying because we only got a draw against a part time team we'll struggle in the middle 8s I was pointing out we've already beaten a team that will be in the 8s and ran one that that won't be close so yesterday's result isn't a massive concern

All teams have off days, injuries and just don't click. We need to improve and close games will be more valuable than runaway routs to show us where we are.

Yes that was the league team..Not the middle 8's one..Sheens isn't doing what we did and that will cost you.

Agree 100%, ellis is no better than ordinary and feel either quinlan or moss would be well worth a shot in the halves alongside abdull if both were fit.