He's not a 'good' player at all, he's average, and if we keep accepting players like him we'll be playing middle eights every year. We seriously need to wake up as a club!!

For what I have seen of him he does not play to is standard all the time which is a pity because when you look at him he looks good but not good enough

That makes no sense.

I disagree that he found his level in the middle 8s because his best games for me came in the challenge cup run last year in which he was excellent

Tilse for me is a good solid prop.iv never bought into some fans scapegoating him.Allgood however is a different matter was fairly explosive early doors now seems to throw in half hearted performance then a half decent one.are either value for money/quota spot?tilse for me is.Blair Kelly sio mantellato have been very good imo but having 2 import wingers will take a fair wedge.saying that both of them I enjoy watching.mr campese I haven't given up on but it must be last chance saloon..If sio is going as rumoured we need a Newton quality 2nd row

So we shouldn't accept players that have been good enough to make 200 NRL first team appearances?

Exactly. I think Rovers have a fairly decent set of props. Walker is probably the pick of the bunch, but Tilse isn't far behind IMO. The problem is more the back row; Clarkson, Larroyer, Donaldson, Horne is pretty poor. The best back rower, Blair, having to play in the halves.

I think you have hit the nail on the head with your comment on Blair. Does this also apply to Tilse, are we playing him in a role or style that does not match his natural game?

If we sign a player who has been good enough to play 200 NRL first team games but some fans think said player is only average at best. Do you think the question should not only be is it the player? but also is it the fault of the coaching team? Why are they not getting the best out of him? Why are we not playing to his strengths?

I would happily keep Tilse and bin Allgood, he is no better than any of the back row we currently have and seems to play that role rather than prop. Tilse makes hard yards and looks for the offload, the fact there is nobody there for him to pass to is the problem, rather than him.

When we've had a back row of Greenwood (who will become one of the best 2nd rows in the country) and Blair we've looked very good, last week being a prime example. Donaldson is ok and punches above his weight but would be more of a back up, loose forward is a big issue. We also lack impact from the bench in the back row.

IF we get through the 8's we need to recruit more in terms of depth along with a at least one high impact prop

Greenwoods brother would be a start