Unless we can get some passion back in the team and pride in the shirts 2015 is going to be another long season!

But we need to give Chris Chester and Willie Poaching the off season and let them try to change the mentality of the players and allow the lads coming in time to settle before we get too depressed, with a new look back line and time to put his stamp on the squad I think we will come good.

Maybe I am the eternal optimist, and this will come back to bite me, but I think we will at least be more competitive next year! and I do think in 2015 we will make the top 8!

Thankfully, chessie has already established the biggest problem - attitude and culture. If he can get buy in from the team then top 8 is massively realistic as the core group of players are good enough, but need the mental coaching to want to achieve which is the coaches main challenge. As mentioned, a lot depends on 6 & 9 recruitment. If we can replace travis and get 100k for him I would and put all the money into a good 9, I genuinely believe burns is detrimental to the teams performance and specifically keatings performance. Our hookers do not like to pass elsewhere incase burns gives them a rocket to start with. Excellent player on form, slightly maverick, but I believe as much of a hindrance compared to enhancer to the squad.

Exhibit A - Cas without rangi chase. I feel very similar situation. People may not agree but all imo of course. ( granted keating could also help the situation by manning up, everyone saw what he is capable of against wigan )

I was going to say the same thing about Burns. For all his great attributes and flair he has no structure to his play and I do believe its at a detriment to a team performance.

It's time to cut our loses and let Burns go. He was a pain in the backside in Australia and now a pain in backside in the UK. If you want to change the culture Burns has to go.

It's time to cut our loses and let Burns go. He was a pain in the backside in Australia and now a pain in backside in the UK. If you want to change the culture Burns has to go.

Im new to this and usually just browse but I have heard we are signing a 17 year old hooker from hull FC who has represented England youth,any ideas?could be same as hodgson I hope

If thats true I'd be surprised, FC need a hooker themselves to back up Houghton. Sure its not an ex FC player who represented England youth ie Tommy Lee.

No he plays for hull 19s now and is only 17,,that's all I know

Where does Connor Robinson fit in here? Is he close to playing?

DID hudge not say we would be signing no more players from hull

Wormtongue is more believable than hudgell.