Very true and I also appreciate that whilst it is down to opinion.

Hull FC also have a coach at each age group of the England set up and I have no doubt this plays a part in why they have boys within the set up.

I think judging who is better by the England selection is wide of the mark as Hull KR may have a totally different remit to how the want to produce players to that of England as their focus is to produce players for their club not the national pathway.

I also respect both clubs roles within producing players having seeing it first hand over the last two years with both clubs through the amateur game and feel that it is very poor that we all come on here and pass judgement on what I see from the outside is a very difficult job.

Players will be missed and not picked up and fans from either club will go opposite ways but this is the nature of the game I just think that overall they are doing a great job and to many people (myself included) hear one story and think we have missed a talent when we are not involved in the whys and what process each club follows.

So rather than being negative I'd like to congratulate both and just say keep up the good work guys as their work largly goes unrecognised until people come on with a negative thinking they personally have unearthed the next big thing.

I'm sure the countless unsocial hours each club puts into players and that of the players attitude and aptitude has a large part to play in them ever reaching the heights of super league and these people of both clubs should be commended.

What an excellent post and you make some very valid points, like you say players often don't get picked up initially, Jamie Shaul is the perfect example and one that players who don't initially make it should look too.

You seem a very good intelligent poster and I hope you stick around, don't let the idiots (from both sides but you off).

Who is your opinion from the Rovers academy squads are the ones to look out for?

id say academies should be judged on how many players come through and become first team players.

I would like to thank all of you who have took the time t o answer my post it looks like we are doing ok along with the black and whites and I have taken in all notes once again thank you

Exactly right, if you can get 2/3 decent players coming through each year then you are doing things right, this is what Leeds and Wigan do. Hull, under agar had a spell of about 3 years with only Reece Lyne came through.

This has been a big improvement for both clubs, with players like Green (x2), salter, Cox, Beaumont, Taylor, Crooks, Cunningham, Bowden, Hadley and Shaul all coming through in the last two years or so.

I don't really pay enough attention to the academies to be honest so can't say whose is better but judging by the squads of the top sides id say both Rovers and Hull are some way behind.