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| Quote: Seagull "We got caught because Hope was a flash harry who couldn't keep his trap shut about his money.
As the Cow has said, most of us who've been around a bit knew it would all end in tears, the only surprise was that it's taken quite so long.
To label the fans as cheats is hilarious, there really are some clueless clowns around
totally agree seagull , every one seems to have an opinion on what the RFL should and shouldnt do to us. Fact - 10 point deduction !!! Fact - No Appeal !!! Lets get on with it !! As for the injuries, leather back in training hopefully in 6-8 weeks, Keavney fit in a few weeks, Ballard out for a long time , Anderson unsure and ratcliffe broke arm/wrist so out for the season. One things for sure, we wont need a team talk for the coming games, RFL did that for us - Up the panthers
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| So three of the injured players out for the season, Anderson not known, keavs should be back for rochdale or hunslet then I guess. He is the most key absentee now anyway for me. Our play of the ball area / ruck speed is what sets us apart and can win us promotion with keavs and clough.
Cap penalty hurts but shouldn't have too much effect.
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| Quote: KingBobLindner "To the_cow.
Oldham have never cheated the tax man - ever. Yes the Bears went bankrupt in 1997, and a new club reformed, and after much debate with the RFL a completly new club was set up in the lowest possible pro division i.e. Div 2 and originally not allowed in the Challenge Cup. The club had no assets, no ground, no players and no kit. Everything was a brand new club.
Contrast that to Widnes & Harlequins that have wound the club and reformed and allowed to stay in the division they went under.
Oldham had tax difficulties over the past few years, which is not suprising as we had been playing all over the place since 1997. However, we paid the tax man back WITH interest. So no cheating there.'"
Well unless I am mistaken Oldham Bears became Oldham Roughyeds- same fans, same town, different company. According to Wikipedia, Oldham Bears went bankrupt with approx £2m debt. Chances are the tax man was owed a portion of that- unless all the proceeds from the sale of Watersheddings were used to pay off the debts in full. So unless the tax man was paid up in full, then the tax man lost out. I think the continuing in the same division is not relevant and generally whan any business goes under, then all assets are seized and lost (unless a new set of owners want to create a new form of an existing club and buy back the assets at a lower price). Furthermore, generally if you owe money and miss repayments, you pay a premium for interest on your debts.
Regardless, I have no issues with Oldham and their fans (except an old lady last season at the Woodlands who annoyed me by spouting rubbish when she clearly knew nothing of the rules- and then abused me after I challenged her views). Oldham should be well aware that the fans have no control over the owners/chairman with the fight for control that happened last year in your boardroom- so in summary don't label Blackpool fans cheats as we had nothing to do with the problems, but are suffering the consequences, as you did when Bill Quinn pulled the plug on his funding.
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| Oldham Roughyeds are not related to the Bears in any way, shape or form - completely different club. Oldham Roughyeds had no assets, no players, no kit - NOTHING. Unlike Harlequins and Widnes that reformed and kept the same personnel, gorund etc. Two completely different scenarios.
The Roughyeds when in debt have paid every single penny back with interest unlike some clubs.
When BQ pulled the plug, we offloaded the money players not keep them unlike yourselves. That galvanised us stronger, and yes made us solvent again. We had to adjust our BP overnight to accomodate the deficit in funding - best thing that ever happened in my opinion. What really narked me is in a previous thread calling our fans because a) they were vocifeorus, b) there were 5 x more there than the local support c) we beat you - not once, but twice
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| I would feel fairly confident that if you check at company's house the currently existing Widnes & Harlequins are a different club to the ones who went bankrupt- same shirts, same ground, but in the eyes of the law a different company and therefore club. However, neither club had to relocate and I guess all the new funders did was buy back some of the old club's assets off the administrator, offer new contracts to superseed the contracts that had just become defunct, and arrange new tenancy agreements on the grounds.
Oldham 'off loaded players', or were current players told they had to take a cut in wages as the whole of the Panthers squad has had to? However, a number of Oldham players decided they didn't fancy a cut in their pay packet and moved club perhaps... Also, how did Oldham afford all those 'stars' in the B Quinn era and stay under the cap...sound familiar???
1) I think there is a line between being noisey and being abusive/ rude- by all means support your team, but don't aim abuse at the others teams fans. I didn't experience this with Oldham fans on Sunday, but obviously others did on this board. I have have however, experienced threatening behaviour from Hunslet fans on a number of occasions- think each individual has a different club they dislike due to bad experiences.
2) Panthers have a small fan base- hardly surprising considering a semi-pro club has been in existence for less than 10 years with modest success on the pitch after an awful starting few years. Therefore, hardly surprising that there were more Oldham fans there- relatively close to Blackpool, been in Superleague, founding member of the Northern Union- should hope you have a decent fan base.
3) Yes you won twice- well played.
Any way that will be my last response on the matter- best of luck for the rest of the season & hope that your new ground gives you a stable foundation for future growth- a situation all clubs would like, but few achieve.
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| Quote: KingBobLindner "Oldham Roughyeds are not related to the Bears in any way, shape or form - completely different club. Oldham Roughyeds had no assets, no players, no kit - NOTHING. Unlike Harlequins and Widnes that reformed and kept the same personnel, gorund etc. Two completely different scenarios.
The Roughyeds when in debt have paid every single penny back with interest unlike some clubs.
When BQ pulled the plug, we offloaded the money players not keep them unlike yourselves. That galvanised us stronger, and yes made us solvent again. We had to adjust our BP overnight to accomodate the deficit in funding - best thing that ever happened in my opinion. What really narked me is in a previous thread calling our fans because a) they were vocifeorus, b) there were 5 x more there than the local support c) we beat you - not once, but twice
5 times more than local support? We average 200-250 so with a crowd of 780 and that included corporate of around the 150 mark that leaves 630 , say 230 panthers(including our wigan/warrington contingent) , you brought 400 cant work the 5 times quote out? You beat us not once but twice? Fact !!!
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Quote: Roughyeds Return "Taken from BBC Sport.
Blackpool Panthers have been deducted ten points after being found guilty of a number of breaches of Rugby Football League rules.
The Championship One side were found guilty of breaking registration and salary cap rules by an RFL tribunal.
The club have said they will not be appeal against the decision.
The deduction means Martin Crompton's side will have to fight for promotion this season, having dropped from third place to sixth.'"
Wrong as usual - We didnt break salary cap rules - check official statement - www.blackpoolpanthers-rlfc.co.uk
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Quote: Roughyeds Return "Taken from BBC Sport.
Blackpool Panthers have been deducted ten points after being found guilty of a number of breaches of Rugby Football League rules.
The Championship One side were found guilty of breaking registration and salary cap rules by an RFL tribunal.
The club have said they will not be appeal against the decision.
The deduction means Martin Crompton's side will have to fight for promotion this season, having dropped from third place to sixth.'"
Wrong as usual - We didnt break salary cap rules - check official statement - www.blackpoolpanthers-rlfc.co.uk
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| Quote: kevbanham "Wrong as usual - We didnt break salary cap rules - check official statement -
This was a quote from the BBC website as stated - try reading!
If these dodgy payments made via the backdoor were included in the amounts paid to players, it's likely you would have exceeded the cap. So its a technicality, you broke the rules, you pay the price.
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| Quote: Roughyeds Return "This was a quote from the BBC website as stated - try reading!
If these dodgy payments made via the backdoor were included in the amounts paid to players, it's likely you would have exceeded the cap. So its a technicality, you broke the rules, you pay the price.'"
Doesnt matter where quote is from , whether its the BBC or Roughyed TV its still incorrect. Yes we broke the rules and will take the punishment. That was yesterday - old news and chip paper by now
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