Just read Fylde Coast Warriors assessment of the Whitehaven game and his opinions on each players individual performances.
Whilst i agree a lot of his assessments on certain players i dont agree with some of them.
Fylde Coast you state McCully was solid but anonymous
Its not all about try scorers.
What wins games is good defence, and McCully topped the tackle count in that game.
Some fans dont recongnise the efforts of some players and good defence wins games simple as!!!
I also think Forber played well and Haggerty.
My man of the match was Clough, he seems to get better each game
Hobson played well too but i hope he can keep the penalty count down in future

It's all about opinions innit

I agree though, players like McCully and Haggerty get through a shedload of work that often goes unnoticed.

It's much down to the work that playes like this do that the backs have so much extra time and space to work in this season.

Clough and Keavney are both playing very well at actring half and the speed the ball leaves the ruck also contributes greatly, along with the fact that both can make many yards from acting half when they "scoot". It all contributes to getting the opposition on the back foot which again, helps create space for the backs to work in.

the difference is haggerty contributes in both attack and defence and isn't giving stupid penalties away like his more experienced counterpart. i find it very frustrating, and that is what makes it poor. CUT OUT THE PENALTIES! the count was awful against blackpool again on sunday. similarly other players who've come into the second/back row have made the tackles, defended well - and not given the penalties away. Hobbo has been guilty of giving penalties away but carries the ball even stronger in the next set which makes up for it somewhat. and sets the platform for attcking play.

the fast play of the ball is a good point, and something that held us back against 'haven as the ref wasn't interested in getting their players off at the ruck. ainscough's first try was the first fast play of the ball clough was allowed and we absolutely murdered them from it. the fast play of the ball combined with powerful hit-ups from hobson and ratcliffe and skill the and pace out wide is too much for most teams. they don't know how to defend because you can't push up and in as the skill cand speed can beat that but you can't go man for man down the middle because the forwards are running strong.

anyway, let me know the penalty and tackling stats from tonight as i'll be at wigan, hopefully watching jonny walker come off the bench.

out of interest fleetwood mac - where do you get these stats from because i never find anything with such detail on panthers games. been thinking it might be good to get more detail so we can start putting some figures together to put on the wesite or something.

So you are a Wigan fan and part time Panthers fan are you Markill.

Haggertys expericenced counter parts stats come from someone i know in the club and are correct. If he gets picked every week the coach must be happy and i think he has more knowledge about what goes on in a game than me or you.
Also McCully for what i could see only gave away one penalty in the Haven game!!!! so i think you might keep getting mixed up with the players.

This team is doing well because we have a good blend of proven try scorers, good tacklers, pace and Enforcers like Hobo and Anderson with a good blend of youth and experience.
Plus they are playing for each other which is a big factor
And you might hate this being a Wiganer, lots of st helens born with Academy experience in the team ie
McCully.
Forber.
Haggerty.
Clough.
Lllewelyn.

Having said that your Wigan lads have helped a lot and Holland, Tuson and Walker have been outstanding.
Yes you are entitled to your opinion but like i said earlier some players efforts dont get recognised in a game when defence is the key.

Don't really like the undertones in your last post fleetwood mac- seems to infer that supporters who watch other teams are a 'poorer quality' of fan. I am a Wigan fan who watches the Panthers- have done so for the last 3-4 seasons (can't even remember when I first attended!) and was there when we broke the losing streak. Don't go to every match admittedly but I now live in Wigan so this makes things harder. If people were only allowed to attend games of one particular club, I think the Panthers would lose a significant number of fans. I don't think would be beneficial to the club, do you? As for watching Wigan matches over Panthers matches, I have a season ticket at Wigan and live 15 mins away from the dw, so it makes financial sense. However, I prefer my match day experience at the Woodlands as the action is so close & it's a friendly atmosphere (except when Hunslet turn up ha).

Couldn't give a stuff where a player trained as a youth, it's what they bring to the team on the pitch.

McCully is a solid player, but I don't think will ever be a star- and yes every team needs workhorses- Fairhurst, Boland and Ratcliffe can all be labelled as this aswell.

I think the worst player from the Haven match was Halliwell. Considering this guy has bags of experience and has played at a higher level, he didn't show it. He spent half the match off-side even when the ref was looking for an excuse to award Haven a penalty.

Holland and Walker have both been excellent, but Walker had a shaky home debut for Wigan last night. However, I do think it is unfair on players like Fairhurst and Ratcliffe who have been loyal to the club for some time. I don't know what the solution is though, especially as we have no reserves.

The future looks good at the moment- lets just hope that Hope doesn't run out of cash before we get a chance with the big boys in champ 1. MC is a quality coach who will have a 'bigger' club sniffing around sometime I would think.