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| Quote: Stand-Offish "One did...
The rest are all in the Championship....that's the division above ours.. .
It's funny how stats are great with no context when it fits their personal narrative but are no good when they dont
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| Quote: SteveRoebuck "It's funny how stats are great with no context when it fits their personal narrative but are no good when they dont
In nearly every walk of life Steve its the same, media, politicians, agenda pushers.
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| Quote: SteveRoebuck "They didn't like it DM
Thanks for the update, Steve.
Toronto, York, Whitehaven, Barrow and Keighley didn't hit financial troubles when in League One, their problems came about when they were playing the 'bigger fish'. This is when they over-stretched themselves.
There's no doubt a direct link between a club's finishing position and the amount they invest in players/coaches. The fifth best funded team is unlikely to finish top. The best funded team is unlikely to finish fifth. Unfortunately, we don't know the League One pecking order.
My best guess would be that the promoted teams over the last five seasons are likely to have had budgets in the top three, although with the lottery of the play-offs a worse funded team might sneak up.
Again trying to keep things in context, if we've been the top funded club over the last five seasons, Richard Horne has used the budget poorly. If we're the fifth best funded team, he's done well, achieving more than he should. We can't answer that question as we don't know about the finances.
Of course, a team needs to work within a sustainable budget as 'any club' is better than 'no club' but there needs to be ambition as well. The 'five year plan' to get us to Super League implied we do have the necessary resources to play at a higher level. Perhaps we don't?
Super League was probably a pipe dream but being a financially stable mid-table team in the Championship ought to be a realistic ambition. Sheffield have been able to do it. Why can't we?
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| Quote: Wilf Grimshaw "DM Hope this link works to the facebook page
Thanks Wilf. I get a message that says I must log in to continue. I can see a few comments that are on the landing screen but I can't scroll or click on anything.
I've always resisted selling my soul to Facebook so I don't feel inclined to sign up. I prefer to have proper chats on here where different views and opinions are accepted and discussed in detail.
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| Quote: Double Movement "Thanks Wilf. I get a message that says I must log in to continue. I can see a few comments that are on the landing screen but I can't scroll or click on anything.
I've always resisted selling my soul to Facebook so I don't feel inclined to sign up. I prefer to have proper chats on here where different views and opinions are accepted and discussed in detail.'"
Appreciate that, Its not everyone's cup of tea.
This the post from Rob Terrace ( Rob Clayton?) that started the thread rolling
Something that someone messaged me about, which, I managed to do, as I've been doing some work on the stats stuff recently.
Its not meant to prove a point, moreover, just provide something for discussion.
Since 17th June 2017, when Richard Horne took charge, 140 matches, 88 victories, 48 defeats and 4 draws. 1 Victory was a "Walkover", when West Wales forfeited.
7 of his first 12 matches (the remainder of his first 'season') were defeats, with 1 draw in that time.
Thats a win rate of 62.8%, which, would put him at being one of the most successful Dons coaches in the clubs history.
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| Quote: Wilf Grimshaw "In nearly every walk of life Steve its the same, media, politicians, agenda pushers.'"
Don't forget 'influencers', Wilf. You know, that bunch of people who have no talent but persuade people what they ought to be thinking. Turd polishing is the skill that is in most demand these days!
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| Quote: Wilf Grimshaw "
This the post from Rob Terrace ( Rob Clayton?) that started the thread rolling
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Rob Terrace is the photographer & statistician. Rob Clayton used to be the game day announcer.
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| Quote: Wilf Grimshaw "Appreciate that, Its not everyone's cup of tea.
This the post from Rob Terrace ( Rob Clayton?) that started the thread rolling
Something that someone messaged me about, which, I managed to do, as I've been doing some work on the stats stuff recently.
Its not meant to prove a point, moreover, just provide something for discussion.
Since 17th June 2017, when Richard Horne took charge, 140 matches, 88 victories, 48 defeats and 4 draws. 1 Victory was a "Walkover", when West Wales forfeited.
7 of his first 12 matches (the remainder of his first 'season') were defeats, with 1 draw in that time.
Thats a win rate of 62.8%, which, would put him at being one of the most successful Dons coaches in the clubs history.'"
Thanks, Wilf. Most Dons' coaches haven't been lucky enough to work in a league that has at least 50% 'also rans'. Measuring success solely by win rates is interesting but I'm not sure it's a very good way of assessing 'skill'.
I was in awe of what John Sheridan did but I suspect his win rate probably isn't anywhere near as good as Richard Horne's.
I'd guess the man with the best ever win rate is Ellery Hanley.
Nice stats from Rob Terrace though.
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| Quote: Wanderer "Rob Terrace is the photographer & statistician. Rob Clayton used to be the game day announcer.'"
Thanks Gary, Rob (Notts Forest) Terrace. Glad I put in the question mark.
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| Quote: Double Movement "Thanks, Wilf. Most Dons' coaches haven't been lucky enough to work in a league that has at least 50% 'also rans'. Measuring success solely by win rates is interesting but I'm not sure it's a very good way of assessing 'skill'.
I was in awe of what John Sheridan did but I suspect his win rate probably isn't anywhere near as good as Richard Horne's.
I'd guess the man with the best ever win rate is Ellery Hanley.
Nice stats from Rob Terrace though.'"
Yep the argument for wins success under RH is obviously statistically up there, but on a personal basis I loved Tony Fishers and Singes teams, must have been the fire in their bellies.
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| The teams put together by John Sheridan, Tony Fisher & St John Ellis were my favourites to watch.
Mention of Ellery Hanley always stirs up mixed emotions in me. I always considered him the best British player I'd ever had the privilege of watching ... but ... for me that interview at Warrington (28/09/200icon_cool.gif seconds after promotion to League One destroyed any fondness I might have had for him as a coach.
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| Quote: Wanderer "The teams put together by John Sheridan, Tony Fisher & St John Ellis were my favourites to watch.
Mention of Ellery Hanley always stirs up mixed emotions in me. I always considered him the best British player I'd ever had the privilege of watching ... but ... for me that interview at Warrington (28/09/200icon_cool.gif seconds after promotion to League One destroyed any fondness I might have had for him as a coach.'"
Yes, I've never felt such extremes of emotions in the same day as I did on that occasion.
The three you've named are legends. I suppose I have a particular fondness for John Sheridan as he was the first person to show Dons' fans we could be more than a basement club with no hope.
The day I heard of Singe's death was earth shattering. I could not believe it.
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| We've been competing with the likes of (no disrespect) west wales, london skolars, cornwall so does that win percentage still look fantastic???
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