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Quote: Marshland "I don't and I'm talking now and not the past. SO organise the tickets for the raffle and show me the evidence that you have sufficient numbers selling tickets and I will sell my £100.00 worth as long as if the scheme does not work the money raised goes to the development of Rugby League (Dave Marshall already has a development project) within Doncaster and does not sit in a bank account for ever and a day.'"


I know your post was made at just after five this morning-- but don't understand the part of your post that i've highlighted in your quote.

When has any monies raised by the fans of the Dons ever sat in a bank account for ever and a day?-------Never,as far as i'm aware.

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Quote: Marshland "Don't worry about me I raise about 5K for Moorends before the start of every summer season.'"


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Quote: Karlos "The thing is with this supporters trust lark is that it will be the same 30 or 40 who want to get it started.It will be the same 30 or 40 who set up a meeting for the trust and it will be the same 30 or 40 who will attend the meeting.

Everybody harps on about how our average attendance is around the 800 mark, so where then is everyone when its time to dig ourselves out of the 5h1t.
Im afraid it will be the same people trying to do their best for the club (the vast majority of which are on this forum on a regular basis), and until some of the other 760 or so fans decide to get involved it wont be enough.

It needs ALL the fans to get together on this one not just the die hards.The reality and the seriousness of the situation should be enough to get the rest of the fans involved.If it doesnt, then do they really care anyway!!'"


Ok so you have identified a potential way forward for the club , for it to succeed you need the support of all the fans [ so that is another problem and solution you have identified ]

So how do you get those 760 fans down to a trust set up meeting ?

You need a database of them all and you need to contact them all

When is your next home game ?

Out of the 30/40 who go on here or are within easy contact of those who post on here can you organise some of you to get down to the match and collect names,addresses and phone numbers of all your fans

Between the 30/40 all chip in to pay for a letter to be sent out and get every one of the 30/40 to ring 20 fans each

If they get a letter and a call after already being told why you want their details and they still dont attend or offer to help then basically you are bolloxed

But if you dont try you will not know

You need to be proactive [ hate that word ] with this or it might be too late and your last chance

All the best

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Much of what you say makes good sense and I sincerely thank you for your concern but we recently called a meeting to update fans of the situation at the Club and only 40 people turned up which supports much of what Karlos has said.

The reality is that when you take off the travelling support, our regular support at home games (ignoring the Toulouse game with its freebies) is probably in the region of 600. Of those something like 40 or 50 have been involved in various activities such Supporters Trusts, Supporters Groups and other similiar committees and groups.

Each time something new is tried, you can gaurantee it will fall to some or many of those same people to try and make it happen.

The remaining 550 will attend on match day but appear to have little or no interest beyond that. Indeed a Club that once had a travelling support that was the envy of many of the lower division Clubs is lucky to get more than a handful at away games. There were about 50 supporters from Doncaster at Featherstone recently for a local derby which is 25 minutes away by road.

You make a number of valid points but the truth of the matter is that some of the things you suggest have been tried before either by the Club itself or groups of supporters and sadly it seems that [sizethe vast majority of people in Doncaster do not care if there is a Professional / Semi Professional Rugby League Club in the town.[/size

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Quote: WANDERER "Much of what you say makes good sense and I sincerely thank you for your concern but we recently called a meeting to update fans of the situation at the Club and only 40 people turned up which supports much of what Karlos has said.

The reality is that when you take off the travelling support, our regular support at home games (ignoring the Toulouse game with its freebies) is probably in the region of 600. Of those something like 40 or 50 have been involved in various activities such Supporters Trusts, Supporters Groups and other similiar committees and groups.

Each time something new is tried, you can gaurantee it will fall to some or many of those same people to try and make it happen.

The remaining 550 will attend on match day but appear to have little or no interest beyond that. Indeed a Club that once had a travelling support that was the envy of many of the lower division Clubs is lucky to get more than a handful at away games. There were about 50 supporters from Doncaster at Featherstone recently for a local derby which is 25 minutes away by road.

You make a number of valid points but the truth of the matter is that some of the things you suggest have been tried before either by the Club itself or groups of supporters and sadly it seems that [sizethe vast majority of people in Doncaster do not care if there is a Professional / Semi Professional Rugby League Club in the town.[/size'"


Agree with your last comment-but what's the alternative?
If a supporters trust is maintaning a RL team in Rochdale then its worth a shot-it may be your last chance.
The only proviso that i would recommend is that the existing management have absolutely nothing to do with the running of the club as i'd stake money on it been doomed to failure before its been given any chance if they are.
Keep RL going in Doncaster and every traditional RL area or else the games up.

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Rochdale have less fans than Doncaster and their supporters trust has ensured that their team has survived. I would strongly urge one of you to contact the relevant people to set up your own trust whilst you still have the chance to do so.

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Agreed. RL clubs have always been run by a small number of enthusiastic supporters. Some people are prepared to chip in cash but do no work.

What's the alternative ? Wait for a rich bloke to come along?

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Quote: griff1998 "
What's the alternative ? Wait for a rich bloke to come along?'"


that works doesn't it???

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No. Exactly my point.

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This may have been read on the other post but I m doing it anyway. Taken from the Hornets Supporters Trust.

The new club is a Supporters’ Trust - registered as an Industrial & Provident Society in January 2009. Its full title is “Rochdale Hornets Rugby Football League Club Society Limited”. But as that would make for a very large badge, it’s much easier to call it ‘Hornets Rugby League’.

Where we differ from other clubs in the Co-Operative Championship and Super League is that - as an IPS - we are owned entirely by our members.

Any Rugby League fan over aged 16 or over can become a full member of the Trust. By becoming a member you will be issued with a £1 share in the Trust. This will give you an equal share in the ownership of our club with other members. No-one can own more than one share.

An IPS is a special type of company that is regulated by the Financial Services Authority. Members of an IPS are protected from any liabilities that the Trust may incur - your liability only extends to the £1 share that you own.

Our annual membership scheme will enable us to raise much needed funds - and the first £1 of your membership covers the purchase of your share. As a member you will be the owner of one share, which will entitle you to one vote at General Meetings, and also in board elections. In addition, membership entitles you to stand for election to the committee if you want to get more involved.

Our basic annual membership type is Bronze. This costs only £15 per year, and includes full membership of the Trust.

Fundraising and donations will be absolutely key to our survival, so if you want to give more to help Hornets Rugby League, please sign up to be a Silver or Gold member.

Silver and Gold members have exactly the same share ownership and voting rights as regular bronze members, but also have the benefit of knowing that they are contributing more to the financial wellbeing of the club.

Silver membership costs just £10 per month; Gold membership costs £20 per month. You can either pay this as one lump sum each year, or set up a standing order to ensure we get the money each month.

Membership payments are absolutely vital to our survival as they give us a guaranteed income stream - and if we could raise £10 per month (only £2.50 per week!) from 100 members, that would raise a crucial £12,000 for Hornets.

100 members on £20 per month (only £5 per week) would give us £24,000 which would put us well on the road to a secure future

This must be worth giving it a go and personally I would want the Supporters Trust to look at running the club itself and remove all the current administration. I m not sure how or if this could be done, but I m prepared to contact Laura Harrison for more information.

Currently I m paying £8 a month for the lottery and winning bugger all, I d rather know it was going to ensure the clubs survival, because I ve no idea how much money the lottery is earning or how much it is costing to administer.

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Doncaster Dragons Supports Trust - was formed, registered, fund raising tried, members enlisted (about 30 if I remember), held a very successful memorabilia sale, but it was just left the that same group of 30-40 stalwarts.

To try and reform again, the cynic in me says it will go the same as the DDST and fold which it did with the demise of the Dragons to Lakers.

Been there, bought the T Shirt, beginning to loose heart.

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I agree. As I said earlier in the thread, it will always be left to the same few and quite a few of those have now got to the 'sick animal' point.

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Quote: grahamd "Doncaster Dragons Supports Trust - was formed, registered, fund raising tried, members enlisted (about 30 if I remember), held a very successful memorabilia sale, but it was just left the that same group of 30-40 stalwarts.

To try and reform again, the cynic in me says it will go the same as the DDST and fold which it did with the demise of the Dragons to Lakers.

Been there, bought the T Shirt, beginning to loose heart.'"


To be fair the point of a Supporters Trust is I believe to effectively run and own the club, not just hand money over to the club's owner(s) which went on in the past and we know want happens everytime we ve done that.

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Quote: WANDERER "I agree. As I said earlier in the thread, it will always be left to the same few and quite a few of those have now got to the 'sick animal' point.'"
But theres the sick animal point or no club.

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Just so everyone is aware, I have been in contact with Laura Harrison over the weekend and she has emailed me back with some information.
Laura says if we do decide to go down the road of organising a supporters trust, she will support and advise us through the process.

Laura also recommends we get the ball rolling sooner rather than later as well.If we do decide amongst a few of us to get something started , how many of you would want to be involved?

I dont know if Gary or Bruce want to put this on a separate thread or just leave it on here, but what does everyone think?

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