its replies like this that fire it up! calling us all 'tools' and accusing us of having a fair few 'idiot fans'.

i'm only taking the , you shouldn't take it all too personally.

Have to say it got me a bit confused over the last couple of days

I've been trying to have constructive discussions [ seriously

Come on guys !

Hey come on we shouldnt be picking on one of our own.......................oh hang on a minute.

Now now John

Was I being a knob when I defended you those times from people who found you a bit overly aggressive? What about when there was only about three of us from widnes using this site and we had to stick together was I a knob then?

Generally speaking I keep to myself. I might have a good moan from time to time, who doesn't, but I've not been one to blame the normal fans for the decision of those running the game and I don't suck up to people who are nothing more than flavour of the month.

I'm well aware of the atmosphere in TIW, that's why we're on this site. But to hold a few cliquey people as representative of the whole of widnes is, to be frank, utter naivety.

Widnes have been through a lot in recent years. A spectacular fall from grace aided and abetted by the ruling powers and people running the club into the ground and buggering off and yet we still have attendances a lot of clubs are jealous of in this division. I'd say that says a lot more about us than a few message board warriors who managed to get in sufficiently early to boss the forums. We're not known for tearing down posts at wembley or scrapping. The worst atmos at our place in recent times was a bit of intimidation from kids with free tickets. So whats making us worse than others?

NOTHING. You said what you did to make yourself look righteous and above what they "expect" from the normal widnes fan. What people expect from us around here is complete B.S. and we should not rise to it, acknowledge it or ever apologise for peoples incorrect assumptions.

just remember who called who a knob first??????????? yes chris i will defend this club to the hilt, but some people have their own agenda's....................

I said we all like act like a knob sometimes. That includes me, you, ned flanders, everyone. Going on to other boards and putting this club down to put yourown reputation up is acting like a huge knob.

Now what agendads are you talking about. I'd appreciate some straight talking. I have no agenda whatsoever.

straight talking chris....................i ing love this club with a passion, but i do respect other teams who are making strides on and off the pitch.

i have never put this club down in my life but some of the so called supporters leave an awful lot to be desired.

Not Quins then

Objection your honour.

Ned Flanders is a friendly neighbour and pillar of the society in Springfield. He is a devout Christian and follows the bible at all times. Calling him a 'knob' is blasphemy!

Carry on...

What about the time he completely lost it with everyone that had pulled together to try and build him a new house. That was erring on the side of knobbishness considering the effort they put in.

I refer you to the honourable gentleman above and the episode where he and Homer are "best friends".

Over ruled!