It's not only Doran who is giving away penalties.

'Discipline' is an interesting topic! We, at Leigh, are bottom of the 'Fair Play' League, mainly as a result of penalties conceded. If you get down to LSV on Thursday, buy a programme, (PLEASE!!) and have a look at the feature I've done on penalty stats. I know stats can be misleading, but we have comfortably won our penalty counts at home, (so far) but been hammered on them away - where we have won our only games!!

I wouldn't argue with most of the penalties we have conceded, but I would argue about the ones some of our opponents HAVEN'T conceded. (e.g. both Batley and Doncaster only conceded three each - and they aren't doing too well in the Fair Play League either!)

Also, some refs give penalties against us, for fun, (e.g. Laughton) yet others (e.g Hewer) give very few. That smacks of inconsistency!!

Or conspiracy

Yes we do need a change, cause I am well and truly fed up. I've run out of my old trademark optimism, I just can't be bothered any more. I think of all the time and effort and money I've put into supporting the club and for what?

It's a big let down year on year. I'm just so fed up with it. Give me a ing reason to continue for god's sake. I just cba getting my hopes up any more. I don't like what the sport has become, and I don't like what the club has become.

But maybe that's just me. I'm getting REALLY apathetic about this.

I think your feelings are shared by quite a few Vikings fans to be fair chris, all the pre-season confidence has been well and truly shot down in flames.

Couldn't agree more tbh

Exact same with me mate, i can even be bothered going away games anymore. I dont even get excited about home games either!


Let down and Widnes go hand in hand.

Come on Vikingman - where's your spirit lad? I bet you give Leigh a right tonking on Thursday - it's long overdue. I suspect that the cloud will be lifted by July. Up the Vikings ! Up the Fax ! Come on !!!!!!!!!!

Mate only Widnes could have screwed this season up, before the season started i had high hopes. No Castleford, Hull KR or Salford/Celtic, without showing any disrespect we should have been the dogs b[io[/illocks but now look at us not even in the bloody top three!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It's rather depressive being a Widnes fan at the moment.

Snap - it appears all Widnes fans are in the same boat at the minute. I've been a few away games, but can't be bothered with a lot of them. Going to Leigh on Thursday, but can't say I'm looking forward to it at all. Maybe its just a case of riding it out and seing how we go until the end of the season, but you get the feeling that a lot of fans won't be fans for much longer. As you say, this was Widnes's big opportunity to dominate - 2 of the strongest clubs in the division from last year gone, no SL team coming down and still we haven't beaten anyone in the top 6 yet.

Its a good job the licence system has come really just think what sort of position we would be in if we would have had the same system as previous years:

1 Castleford (would have been relegated from SL)
2 Celtic (wouldn't have gone up)
3 Halifax
4 Barrow
5 Featherstone
6 Whitehaven
7 Leigh
8 Widnes
9 Sheffield
10 Gateshead

We'd have been one place above relegation. Not saying we won't finish above Leigh or Whitehaven, but considering they have both beaten us already this year, we can hardly claim to be better than them.

I've seen some "what if's" in my lifetime but that's a corker


SOC may have spent differently if this scenario had occurred. If it was all on this season then he would have probably invested differently. As it is - he's got three years to get it right.