Fax's defence was superb, we have no big players to barge through

you read bull. i went to watch it yesterday at the shay.

the game was there for the taking and maybe in a few weeks time under cullen also with a few more players back we will be winning these games. that thread i written was out of frustration because we keep seeing deja vu performances this season.

Did you not see their defence ??

So these few players are going to cover for/replace the 2 3rds of the squad you claim is not good enough? You need to get off the glue lad.

Game was there for the taking? True. Unfortunately, Fax were superb in defence and we couldn't barge over. Fax look the best team in this leage and it's time some Widnes fans realised that.

Mind you, I am optimistic things will improve for the return fixture.

I think some fans believe we have the god given right to dominate every team in this league and each time we lose they're deemed not good enough, lacking pride, clueless etc etc.... We've still a long way to go before we gel properly.

I'm with you on this one.

People just expect other teams to roll over because Widnes are in town.

People need to get real with their expectations.

We lost to a very good team (probably the best in this division) away from home and, as manxviking says but for excellent defence we could have nicked it without really deserving it.

We will improve and I think we will improve more than other teams. Don't forget, we don't have to finish top to get to the Grand Final although it would be nice.

Yet we played some very decent stuff in that second half, and more to the point, it was obvious we were trying to get around their forwards by playing wider. Trouble is, like at Haven, that doesn't work so well on a postage stamp.

Still, I'd like to see a bit more power in the front row.

We have no right to win anything in this league - the salary cap has seen to that.