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There was no issues from Widnes players until the 50th minute, or so. there was nothing before that which would have required sin binning or sending off. 2 or 3 high tackles went in from Widnes players from then on. It is not mandatory for the ref to take immediate action. It is desirable that they don't, or we'll end up with 10 men per side RL every week. Players were warned and punished by penalties until Ben Cross over-stepped the mark and was sent off.

I suppose that you missed several head high tackles put in by your very own angels?

On at least two occasions Dave Allen nearly had his head ripped off. We never even got a penalty for it. Your players were lying on all game, often for as long as 8 seconds, and we got nothing.

Now jog on you whinging tart.

I don't think it was just our discipline. Our fitness and stamina in the last twenty was poor, we stepped down and Wakefield stepped up.

I saw a lot of promising signs for us and when watts, phelps and briscoe return, we'll be fine. We missed the spark in the middle watts provides and although Wakefield fans are probably fed up hearing about watts you haven't seen him play. We are a different side with him in the team.

I'm not the biased one. I have feely admitted that our indiscipline let us down. And, like you say, it happens in every game in Super league. I never, at any point, excused any foul play from Widnes players, and agreed that Cross had to go. I'll go further than that and say that Scoot Moore is very lucky not to be sent off for a professional foul.

But, over all, it wasn't a particularly dirty game until Widnes tired in the last 20/30 minutes and let themselves down badly with their indiscipline.

You don't need to lecture me about bias son. You seem to be the very thing you are accusing me of. Not a single mention of the high tackles and spoiling tactics of your own team in your post there.

Well done on making yourself look ridiculous.

Couldn't agree more, we let ourselves down massively but Wakefield were no angels. I was going to mention the treatment Allen recieed but somebody beat me to it.

Yep, Dave took at least two full-on high shots that should have been dealt with by the ref, but wasn't.

It's amazing how these non-biased Wakey fans conveniently missed those, but managed to see every Widnes high tackle, sending them in to venomous anger and righteous indignation.

fecking tarts!

I don't think that we were robbed. The best team won. I'm saying that dirty play went both ways, and that Widnes only got out of hand when they seemed to tire, in the last 20/30 minutes.

To say that this was our game plan is pathetic. If any team had an illegal game plan it was Wakey, with constant holding down and slowing our play-the-ball down. This repeatedly went unpunished by the ref. I'm not saying he was biased, but he didn't do Widnes any favours either.

If you listen to some of your fans, you'd think that this game was some evil master-plan to make Widnes look good. There's something sad and desperate about that frame of mind.

I see what your saying, and tbh we are just going round in circles.
We'll see how Betts deals with things going forward, I'm sure you have some good enough players, and there was plenty to work on in training both positive and negative.
Time will tell.

The laying on was both teams and the ref let it slide a fair bit. Fair play to him.

The pitch added to a fast paced game and part of both teams game plan will have been to slow the opposition down a touch.

I think the ref realised this and was lenie with both teams on occasioned and I think that's a positive for the ref instead of blowing every 2 mins.

As for the Allen thing, I am to watch the match again so will keep an eye out there.

The ref may very well have missed a thing or two which is human but the reason he didn't miss the high tackles from widnes are that the happened consecutively.

Fitness ultimately told and watts may add a touch of class which Is needed. Phelps will go steady but I thought craven was good anyway.

All in all widnes held up well. Salford and bulls I tip to be below you anyways.

Its swings and roundabouts, we will get the rough end of the whistle in a few games as do all teams.

Anyway, I am bias as I am a wakey fan but I try to be as least bias as possible.

Now, you see, this is a bit more reasonable.

That proves nothing mate as you've been the past few years.