As Testy said that's because we were disciplined and you were not. Cross in particular was a liability and pretty much threw the game and that was not Ben Thalers fault. I agree that perhaps another ref would have been more sensible if for no other reason than to stop this kind of bickering.

That said the result would still be 9 penalties to nil, however Ganson for one would have brandished the yellow sooner than Thaler especially as it was a telly game.

There is no denying your indiscipline helped us win the game but the try's that won it still took some scoring.

On a positive, Frank Winterstien looks to be reaching his potential which is good to see, always liked him when he was with us.

I think fitness let Widnes down and that is why gave silly penalties away.Bad kicking game and lack of creativity at halfback.Clarke is not a scrumhalf.

This suggests that Widnes need to sort their discipline out.

Fitness and stamina showed in the last quarter and thats why the bad tackles came in from Widnes.Watch anygame like that and its what happens when the opposition start to feel the heat and limbs start to hurt.

Look Doctor, what with you being new to this Super League lark is you have to realise that the game is not run for the benefit of the likes of Widnes and Wakefield. We don't count. It's only run for the benefit of Leeds, Saints, Wigan and Wire (who replaced Bradford in the RFL's wet dreams).

Of course you did.
Oh dear - someone is clearly rattled.

Chin up - things can only get better.

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There was no issues from Widnes players until the 50th minute, or so. there was nothing before that which would have required sin binning or sending off. 2 or 3 high tackles went in from Widnes players from then on. It is not mandatory for the ref to take immediate action. It is desirable that they don't, or we'll end up with 10 men per side RL every week. Players were warned and punished by penalties until Ben Cross over-stepped the mark and was sent off.

I suppose that you missed several head high tackles put in by your very own angels?

On at least two occasions Dave Allen nearly had his head ripped off. We never even got a penalty for it. Your players were lying on all game, often for as long as 8 seconds, and we got nothing.

Now jog on you whinging tart.

I don't think it was just our discipline. Our fitness and stamina in the last twenty was poor, we stepped down and Wakefield stepped up.

I saw a lot of promising signs for us and when watts, phelps and briscoe return, we'll be fine. We missed the spark in the middle watts provides and although Wakefield fans are probably fed up hearing about watts you haven't seen him play. We are a different side with him in the team.

I'm not the biased one. I have feely admitted that our indiscipline let us down. And, like you say, it happens in every game in Super league. I never, at any point, excused any foul play from Widnes players, and agreed that Cross had to go. I'll go further than that and say that Scoot Moore is very lucky not to be sent off for a professional foul.

But, over all, it wasn't a particularly dirty game until Widnes tired in the last 20/30 minutes and let themselves down badly with their indiscipline.

You don't need to lecture me about bias son. You seem to be the very thing you are accusing me of. Not a single mention of the high tackles and spoiling tactics of your own team in your post there.

Well done on making yourself look ridiculous.