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| Quote: Off! Number Seven "In response to Faxtastic, (and on 2012 franchise applications in general)
If I am brutally honest, I don't think it would be good for Barrow to get a franchise in 2012. I also think it wouldn't be good for Fax. Neither of our clubs has the fan base or I suspect youth development programmes at present to support a successful SL franchise.
The only club approaching these necessary standards and infrastructure is, may my tongue turn black for saying it, Widnes! However I still think it would be a big step up for them, possibly too big, unless they establish/demostrate the financial viability that SOC is striving for and add another 2 - 3k to the gate. Possible but ambitious and no criticism or offense is intended.
The problem both Barrow and Fax share is we need to more than double our existing gates to be a viable franchise, with a salary cap of £2m pa thats a £4m turnover. Not sure how many clubs are currently doing that in SL, tho the info is available, but none of us in the Championship are anywhere near that. This is also where expansion will always fail unless the club can be underwritten by a substantial financial backer until the sport/club starts to attract the nembers and sponsorship required to support itself.'"
That would happen the moment we enter SL. We averaged around 7,000 fans the last time we were in SL. And that was with a poor team heading for relegation. |
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| Quote: -VIKINGMAN- "Steve O'connor has threatened legal action if we dont get in.'"
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| Quote: Pepe "That would happen the moment we enter SL. We averaged around 7,000 fans the last time we were in SL. And that was with a poor team heading for relegation.'"
everyone can get bigger attendances in super league.
dont have the actuall figures but am sure we will have been avaerageing 5k a week in super league. |
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| Quote: faxtastic "everyone can get bigger attendances in super league.
dont have the actuall figures but am sure we will have been avaerageing 5k a week in super league.'"
Yes, we would all increase our attendances in SL. I'm not sure what your point is?
My point was in answer to "Off! Number Seven", who stated that we would need to add an extra 2-3 thousand in SL to be sustainable. I assumed he was not talking about getting an extra 2-3 thousand while still in the Championship. that would mean we'd have to average 6,500 and no club in this league will ever achieve this. That would be impossible. Several, existing, SL clubs don't even get that average. So it must be a total for SL. As such, as I pointed out, we averaged that last time in SL, and would almost certainly do so again. Ergo, we should meet his target of 2-3 thousand easily. |
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| Quote: faxtastic "everyone can get bigger attendances in super league.
dont have the actuall figures but am sure we will have been avaerageing 5k a week in super league.'" Yes faxstatic mate.More away fans which is obvious with big clubs like leeds,saints,wigan,hull,warrington etc.Only a few teams bring poor away support.The frogs and the welsh minibus.You also get fans who only watch top tier rugby and is a better market in superleague.  |
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| Quote: Pepe "Yes, we would all increase our attendances in SL. I'm not sure what you're point is?
My point was in answer to "Off! Number Seven", who stated that we would need to add an extra 2-3 thousand in SL to be sustainable. I assumed he was not talking about getting an extra 2-3 thousand while still in the Championship. that would mean we'd have to average 6,500 and no club in this league will ever achieve this. That would be impossible. Several, existing, SL clubs don't even get that average. So it must be a total for SL. As such, as I pointed out, we averaged that last time in SL, and would almost certainly do so again. Ergo, we should meet his target of 2-3 thousand easily.'"
naa misunderstood what had been written in the previous messages,
just been through them my mistake misunderstood what was being said. |
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| Quote: Pepe "Yes, we would all increase our attendances in SL. I'm not sure what your point is?
My point was in answer to "Off! Number Seven", who stated that we would need to add an extra 2-3 thousand in SL to be sustainable. I assumed he was not talking about getting an extra 2-3 thousand while still in the Championship. that would mean we'd have to average 6,500 and no club in this league will ever achieve this. That would be impossible. Several, existing, SL clubs don't even get that average. So it must be a total for SL. As such, as I pointed out, we averaged that last time in SL, and would almost certainly do so again. Ergo, we should meet his target of 2-3 thousand easily.'"
Oh yea of little faith |
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| Quote: Starbug "Oh yea of little faith'"
It would, and you know it!
Having no promotion will guarantee it stays that way too. |
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| Quote: Pepe "It would, and you know it!
Having no promotion will guarantee it stays that way too.'"
Somebody said , it couldn't be done and he with a chuckle replied
Maybe it couldn't but he would be one who wouldn't say so till he had tried
So he started right in with a trace of a grin , on his face if he worried , he hid it
He started to sing as he tackled the thing that couldn't be done
And he did it |
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| Quote: faxtastic "everyone can get bigger attendances in super league.
dont have the actual figures but am sure we will have been averaging 5k a week in super league.'"
2000 - 5,500-ish
2001 - 4,800-ish
2002 - 4,000-ish
2003 - 3,000-ish
4,200 average over 4 years. |
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| Quote: SRC "2000 - 5,500-ish
2001 - 4,800-ish
2002 - 4,000-ish
2003 - 3,000-ish
4,200 average over 4 years.'"
well that was then, a new wave of enthusiasm in the town if super league was at the shay would put attendances up around 5,000 well i hope. |
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| Quote: faxtastic "well that was then, a new wave of enthusiasm in the town if super league was at the shay would put attendances up around 5,000 well i hope.'"
Still 3/4,000 below what is needed |
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| Quote: Starbug "Somebody said , it couldn't be done and he with a chuckle replied
Maybe it couldn't but he would be one who wouldn't say so till he had tried
So he started right in with a trace of a grin , on his face if he worried , he hid it
He started to sing as he tackled the thing that couldn't be done
And he did it ![]()
Even Edgar Guest couldn't get 6,500 through a Championship sides turnstyle every week, and quoting him won't help either.
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| Quote: Pepe "Even Edgar Guest couldn't get 6,500 through a Championship sides turnstyle every week, and quoting him won't help either. ![]()
I have known the bit I quoted for years but never the rest or who's quote it was
Thanks for that
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| Quote: Starbug "I have known the bit I quoted for years but never the rest or who's quote it was
Thanks for that
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