you support a team because its what you have always known and if you follow a club for long enough you find that you have to support them ans you cant just switch off your loyalties when its a bad run.

if a fan truly supports a team they will be there all the time during good times and bad times. not just the glory fans that turn up during a good run or a big game

There was a guy sat behind me today and he said... 'I wish I didn't have this sense of obligation to come and watch this.. I'd love to just stay at home and potter about.'
And I thought at the time that he was right.. Beautiful sunny afternoon, dashed away from the family and for what?

But unfortunately Chris we are all burdened with this obligation and there's nothing we can do about it.

Hang on just a second.

I am NOT one of the glory fans you speak of. I have been supporting this team for 25 years or so, do NOT insinuate I am the kind of idiot who drops his team at the first sign of trouble, I haven't dropped them yet and I wont be dropping them now. I am however a despondant long term fan who has every right to have a bit of a moan considering the above and you do not get to tell me otherwise!

I've supported this team through thick and thin for a long time and at the minute they're not giving anything back, I feel so fed up with them and I'm not the only one.

no no you misunderstand, i was refering to you as one of the loyal fans. i was just making a point about the other fans who just turn up when its a good time or you are winning.

if it sounded like i was calling you a glory fan then appologies but that is not was i was infering at all.

Listen feller, I'm in a foul mood right now, it's my fault that I got the wrong end of the stick, I get what you're saying now and I apologise for that.

So how long before internal incidents, which are blatantly obvious to me, are relayed to the public domain?

Those of you who are hackked off at the moment will soon be settling in to a life in Super League. I know it doesn't help with the current frustrations but does it not make it a bit easier knowing that you're out of here soon?

The drop out summed Widnes up with 10 minutes to go when Batley got to the ball first. No urgency, no commitment, no pride, not bothered.

Cant honestly think of anything positive to bring from that yesterday , cant even call it a mid season blip as this is now 2 games back to back where we have been , to say the least , poor . Guess its coming close to jumping of the bridge time

I wrote the same on TIW site yesterday but we are the only English side in the Championship who is going anywhere out of this division.

The sad thing though Rich, is if we somehow nabbed a franchise how the hell can we go into SL off the back of all this ?

I appreciate the whole point of franchising but we should be hanging our heads in shame if we go up off the back of performances like yesterday and seasons like this which seem to repeat themselves for Widnes.

Performances don't matter anymore you have ticked the box. Why would anyone waste money to get a competitive team on the field when you don't need to. Save your money, no need to care about what the fans have to watch, and that shows now in your league crowd average which is now below 3000.

Yep on it's way all the way down to where Leigh are despite their fantastic season... It'll be pretty dismal if it gets that low.

FYI
Barrow Raiders 1,823
Batley Bulldogs 1,258
Dewsbury Rams 1,150
Featherstone Rovers 1,932
Halifax RLFC 2,454
Keighley Cougars 1,205
Leigh Centurions 2,339
Sheffield Eagles 1,373
Toulouse Olympique XIII 1,537
Whitehaven RLFC 1,103
Widnes Vikings 2,979

Your Halifax and Widnes attendances are wrong

Like I said... if we lost another 600 fans and reached your sort of attendances it would be dismal..

He's not wrong Billyfax... he's used the Leigh Attendace calculator...