Looking forward to Sat 14th Feb Doc,Magazine are playing Manchester. Happy days,Young Moz is right about the Dick ed stewards at the home games,i was watching someone been thrown out last sunday,and after this bloke had been thrown out the dicks followed him outside and started pushing him about OUTSIDE the ground.I see they even have even got a scab as a head steward,who i remember him been thrown out during the plate final against Hunslet a while back.Strange set up we are getting down there these days.

What the fearless warrior didn't get stuck in

Bears v Cadishead the game of this weekend for me

I think tbh we have every right to be bitter, and I doubt any bitterness I harbour will simply dissappear just because people are telling me to "get over it", usually fans of clubs who have never been in this position. We're one of the founding RL clubs, we're a real stronghold for rugby league, a town where it is dominant, and they treat us really shoddily. Like we're an inconvenient truth, that the game is, yes, northern, and yes, working class. The reality we present to them is not the one they want the public to see. They'd like to con the public that the game is national, but it will be significantly less so if they continue to dump on teams like ours.

It's disgraceful the way we are treated. I'm bitter because of it. The rugby league community is coming apart. I remember a game where, okay, there were some pretty fierce rivalries, but you'd defend the game and feel a certain affinity with the other fans of the game. Now, I wouldnt defend it if you paid me, and fans of other clubs do nothing but slag each other off. I couldn't give a crap about the game in general, the people running it are liars. A number of teams lied about things in the run up to the franchises. Now a number of teams whose stadiums were in the bag are now talking about them very hypothetically again, and one has flat out (and conveniently) dropped the plans. And plenty of teams with very solid accounts are asking for sky money in advance. We were in effect punished for the same crime twice, and yet we've got a certain southern team in there who have consistently been on the racks financially, and supporter wise, who got in no questions asked.

I'm not just bitter, I'm a little worried. The almighty association football swallows up more and more of towns like ours, and with the constant dicking around we get the harder it is to introduce the youngsters and convince them that widnes is a rugby town and the more older fans turn away from it. People don't want to be associated with a team who doesn't have a chance to better itself.

Basically, I hope this "new era" of super league dies on its and the powers that be have to turn to its hardcore once again, because that'll benefit Widnes and at the end of the day, it is all I care about with rugby league. Fook the good of the game. The game never seems to look after us. It's ran by business minded liars with no concept of soul.

Excellent post Brother Dalton. I don't see that rugby league is as strong in the town as it was 20 or 30 years ago, but that's down to our old friends at Sky and the constant hyping of Premiership football, which is really only the same as WWF wrestling with a ball added.

No it is not,it is down to the lack of 'success' driving the fans who were spoilt by 20 or 30 years ago away.And Doc you are not one of them I hope.

It's both tbf. Both factors are massive.

You don't suppose I would have still watched Widnes all this time if I was do you? No, the move away from Sunday games is what will drive me, my family and several of my associates away.

No was just checking.

That problem is happening to a lot of fans.

Be warned Queens can be very physical to say the least,not a very liked team this side of the pennines.

Do a quick search on Widnes St's on you-tube, thats physical

we were hard done by in my opinion but we will be back

super league has a quota for overseas players, celtic have a quota for welsh players.