Another full time club where he gets a full time wage though?

You do realise Loz is part time dont you?

You do realise he was told he would only have to train once a week which is what is in his contract yet he is been asked to train twice or three times a week dont you?

He is not on a full time wage at all, far from it. He know he was wrong to say things on facebook but I reckon you would be a little fed up when you are trying to juggle work, training, a family and of course match day only to be played in a position you find difficult and then face abuse from fans of the club.

Loz is far from perfect but come on, does he deserve threads asking if he should be sacked etc?

No!

nice post and to keep this thread in the right direction it sounds as if he wanted to impress striaight from the start of the season but its not gone for him at the club. frustration maybe but I have seen email he received and the reply he gave on facebook .

My feeling are he has let a lot of people down and after all the flack he sees on here he`s let himself down big time and a learning curve to be smacked in his face.
His reply was taking the p1ss out of a loyal widnes fan and if TOC got hold of the reply he gave, Terry would hit the roof !!!!

Somethings very wrong at the club I just hope they fix it and get back on track.

No I didn't realise that, I thought the whole team had full time contracts. I see what you're saying.

Well that's good at least.

Well that's good at least.

Well its great to see all there training and attitude working really well

And each players proffesionalism shining through

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If someone idiotic person sends a player a message full of abuse they have to expect some back. This is more than likely the reason for different responses, constructive comments get you further than verbally attacking a player. He plays rugby because he is passionate about it, not for the money that everyone seems to think all the players are earning. I can honestly say I have never been to a ground were the fans are so critical of their players...take a step back for a moment because you all should be ashamed of yourselves

Let's get this in perspective here, the 'idiotic person' you refer to is me. So before you go round making assumptions as to the content you should get your facts straight. I simply told him in response to his public facebook statements about not wanting to be at the club, that he should pack his bags and leave. I shouldn't have said anything in hindsight but the whole weekend performance on top of those statements has angered me. I suggest you go back to your own board and stop commenting on stuff you know nothing about.

As it happens I had quite an interesting discussion with Loz following that. He also said that comments made on message boards were extremely distracting for the players and the fans attitude is having an effect. I said he and the players shouldn't be reading the forums and concentrate on their own game. He also claims that Widnes is a great club and that he will put in 100% every time. He also finds it ridiculous that Cullen is getting so much stick so soon into the job. He's sacrificing a lot to play for Widnes apparently, days off work, time away from family etc.. He's far from perfect, particularly as he is by his own admission hot headed. However he seems an honest player who wants to succeed and wants the club to succeed.

On that note, I'm going to refrain from reading some of the bull on here and other forums and inflaming it further with my own angered posts. I suggest others do the same and that posts slating individual players are removed, including posts about sacking players. I think some of us (myself included) need to realise the damage the constant barrage of non-constructive criticism and abuse is going to cause between us and the players who clearly have issues of their own they need to sort as a team.

If you've got nothing positive to say. Bite your tongue and don't say anything. Players do read these forums whether they should be or not and it really isn't going to help them this season if the abuse keeps up." >]

I know what you said

I haven't singled him out for his performances. If you read my posts you'll see that I said he was a good player. He effectively singled himself out, by what wrote on Facebook.

Therefore, I singled out his attitude. I also pointed out how easy it would be for him to leave Widnes if he doesn't wish to be here. At the end of the day, he brought this on himself. Hopefully he'll knuckle down now and concentrate on using his obvious talent to further his own goals and that of our club, and stop moaning on Facebook.

He should not have replied with that dis respect, its just a mistake on his part Sounds like he`s in a sticky spot lets hope we can move on www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/movie ... 62bd2.html

He should not have replied with that dis respect, its just a mistake on his part Sounds like he`s in a sticky spot lets hope we can move on www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/movie ... 62bd2.html

I dont think he realises who you are Shell

Bandito

Loz only has himself to blame. If he didn't go spouting off on Facebook this thread would not be here.

Yes, he may not like the opinions of some fans, but we have about 4,000 of them, all with different views. Some knowledgeable and some not. None of them will be a proffessional within the sport at, any level, and will therefore lack a professional duty to hold back.

Loz does. That's the way it is.

If he knuckles down and plays well and with discipline, the fans [iwill[/i get behind him. If he goes on Facebook moaning.......