Hulme did ok, and took his try well.Doran did well except for some silly penalties.Cuts them out he is a good player.We did well today considering who is missing, and hope we can keep davies for the season.If can get someone like jordan james,we will be near the top of the league. Farrell played well for wigan today.I am gutted now as i think he is quality.

Offthecuff stop winking mate.

Must say, the crowd was better than feared. 10 out, haven bringing less fans than I did. Can't really blame them at the moment.

Never in my life have I seen a poorer Whitehaven side. If we'd had a full squad we could have hit 80. They're usually an upper tier side for this division, a pain to take on away, but this latest outfit are terrible and this must be a bad time to be a haven fan. Leroy Joe though, you can't fault the man's commitment and experience, and they looked better once they tightened up.

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Haven where the pits today. Very worrying for them. They usually come down here and niggle, slow the play the ball down and compete in the forwards.

They struggled to even compete in the forwards with a very big pack against our patched up pack which isnt going to steamroller anyone.

As already said Davies had a stormer today but I actually thought Lee Doran was our MOM today. He was everywhere and I only actually counted one penalty conceded by him today.

The substitutions and then rotating players to piece a pack together didnt help the second half but at the moment I think we could put most of those players anywhere on the pitch and they would give us as good an account of themselves as they could.

I'd go along with most if not all of this.

Not sure if we took our foot off the gas or whether the substitutions made us disjointed, but we could/should have run up a big score. IMO the only negatives would be the injuries (again) and Yates, who yet again had his decent moments but couple of big blunders. Not doing himself any favours at the moment and needs a couple of error free games to get the confidence back. Mind you people have blamed lack of confidence for 3 seasons now and there must become a point where the confidence card is overplayed and if he makes mistakes the only reason can be that he's not good enough. They do say form is temporary and class is permanent - are Yates mistakes down to talent or form? Its a shame really because I don't remember Yates making many errors in the academy and IMO if plays against Toulouse and Lezignan and has good games then people will get behind him. At the moment though, I can't see him playing much once Ford is fit again.

Agree about Yacca i thought he was dreadfull again.
if ford unfit grady should move to fullback

Bigger?

Yes, basically our forwards are too lightweight particularly in the front row, in previous years we've been able to take sides on down the middle but now there's nothing. When they take the ball up they just get knocked backwards, compared to the likes of Gannon who seemed to break through tackles for fun in the first 20 minutes.

Well i hope things get better for you mate, Haven have always been a strong side and im sure they will come good again. A change of coach and fresh approach is what you need.

One thing I don't get about Haven is the sheer number of penalties they give away. It's not just one or two games, its every time we play them. A lot of the time they just don't give themselves the opportunity to win the game because they are always on the back foot - because of their discipline. The kicking we gave them in the Northern Rail final the other year was a prime example - the game was won for us in the 1st 15-20mins because Haven gave that many penalties away and we kept scoring off the back of them.

I also agree about Stokes. He seemed to have a really good impact when he 1st joined them but, its not a long season and things can quickly get away from you. Haven should probably give him a couple more games, but if they carry on losing I don't see how they could keep him on.