You didn’t mention anything about our MP, just our fans moaning. So now you’ve changed your tune.


You’re just not getting the fact that we no longer have P&R are you?

A licence system is a very different situation, and clubs are chosen over a wide range of criteria. Forget promoting clubs solely on on-the-field performance- that is no longer relevant.


Not necessarily. However, all those clubs licence bids relied totally on a pack of lies about building new stadiums.


Yes, we’ve heard all that cr@p before haven’t we?

I think this is only the start of of the criticism that we are going to be in for. Whilst I don't think it will get to Celtic levels, IMO fans of SL clubs under threat like Wakefield, Cas and Salford and also rival Championship clubs like Halifax and Barrow will all be aiming pot shots at our club.

We should just let most of it ride over our heads, at the end of the day we're in pole position to take a SL spot in 2012 and no amount of whinging from fans of other clubs will change anything.

I know fook all about club finances but surely taking a licence off a current SL club that is saddled with at least a couple of million £s debt (I'm not referring to any particular club) will force that club into administration/liquidation. I think by it's very nature any club thrown out of SL will not have a rich benefactor and I fail to see how any club could service such large debts with no central funding from SKY.

I wouldn't take any offence to what 'kinell' or whatever he's called has spouted. As V4E has said, we may be in for a lot of it.

Take it as a compliment (a backhanded one maybe) but make no mistake, these are very twitchy times for some clubs and fans. We may or may not get a spot in 2012 but we are right up there and knocking hard and our rivals know it.

Bring it on

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Very good point , one I have not seen pointed out before , Put it up on the VT , that should stir them up a bit

That's a very interesting point. The fact that a club can rack up massive debts trying to compete in SL and actually make themselves un-relegatable, because it would immediately cause their demise, shows the complete absurdity of the licence system and the whole process thereof.

I have thought about this, but the RFL have clearly stated that a SL club will definitely be relegated. Therefore, some poor club is probably looking at oblivion. The whole thing is a complete mess.

Barrow are light years behind Widnes, Fax and even Leigh.

There is a connection that these 3 clubs have been in SL before



SL can do one as far as I'm concerned. For what is happening, SL is causing more damage than good. Lots of clubs are massively in debt and it will only take time before they go bust.

Let Barrow go up I say. A god few tonkins will soon make them a laughing stock, and the 'self important' of a Chairman will realise that there is more to RL than SL and Sky. Crowds will dwindle back to 600-800 and they can get back to their 60 mile local derbies at Workington (oh, SL has already stuffed them once hasn't it?)

Widnes are the only team outside SL with the infrastructure in place, and unfortunately, thats a fact. With the way things are going (and we are only in year 1 of the franchise), I can see SL begging some Championship clubs to come up 2012 with some potential big casualties along the way (and the bloody North Wrexham Crusaders (or whatever they are bloody called) won't be one of them (they will be gone by 2011!)

Quote rufustanner="rufustanner"Apparently it cost £12m. Source: www.warringtonwolves.org/Halliwell.ink'" www.barr.co.uk/brochures/stadia.pdf ..... page 8. £6.8M actually, I was a tad under.

Quote rufustanner="rufustanner"Apparently it cost £12m. Source: www.warringtonwolves.org/Halliwell.ink'" www.barr.co.uk/brochures/stadia.pdf ..... page 8. £6.8M actually, I was a tad under.

In what way are Barrow 'light years' behind Fax and Leigh ???? Our crowds are as big (if not bigger), we have 2 trophies in the cabinet and that is just after 1 year at the higher level. Both Fax and Leigh play in better stadia, but why does renting a 'nice' ground once a fortnight make them better clubs ?? Fax, Leigh and Widnes have all played in SL and were ultimately relegated. Hardly a great track record at the higher level.

I agree with every sentiment in this post except the word "unfortunately", but we all know you didn't mean it Snowy Lad.

Throw him in the keep net, another Widnes Vikings fan to put to the ever growing list. Well done Snowy!

Already on it Chris


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You really are deluded Pal. Barrow averaged a few hundred more than Leigh. So what? Swap positions, and Leigh would have been easily averaging 3000 +
If you had half of the quality amateur clubs that Widnes, Leigh and Halifax have, then you might have a point.

I think you are going to be in for a pretty difficult season. Lets see how your twitchy chairman reacts to it because you will lose a few, and you wont win the league !

As for Warringtons ground (and coming from a good source living in Warrington), the total cost was 8.2m which will rise further when the capacity is increased. Having played at Craven Park a few times, then I agree that a couple of million or so will need spending. Its a good little ground but it is falling to pieces. Develop it all you want, but Barrow in my opinion will never be in SL !



Sure to see yourself and the 90 or so Barrow fans travelling down the M6 for the Sky game next year. My heart is always filled with cheer when we are privilidged to see such an away following!