The most enjoyable thing for you Widnes lot must be the huge improvement defensively, I didn't think you had any problems with ball in hand. I think you will be a dark horse for the playoffs.

Maybe i'm being presumptuous but i guess you Widnes fans are just happy if you progress further each season.

If you finished 9th this season would you be happy with the progression the team had made especially comparing it to last season?

Yes you are.

But certainly. Personally I'm looking for a playoff push this season. So hoping to be thereabouts and in the mix towards the end of the year. I think reaching the 8 is harder than it seems as Leeds, Saints, Wire, Wigan, Catalan, Hull FC and possibly Hudds have 6/7 of those places almost nailed on at the start of the season. One of the latter may drop out but reality is ATM those below are fighting for the bottom 2 spots in the 8.

So 9th would be disappointing all considered?

11th would be an achievement for Widnes this season, imo Horatio.

Last season was no surprise to anyone except the most optimistic of Chemic fans, i think last season i said on this board that if this was Wire in the same situation it would take at least 3 or seasons to get up to scratch. With the finances you have i do see a steady improvement year on year and personally if i was in the same boat i would see 9th as a massive step.
Next season i would be realistically disappointed with not making the 8 but 9th this season would be a massive step in the right direction.

Not at all.

To put it clear my aims for this year where 10th-12th and next year 8th-10th. Very roughly speaking. Injuries will dictate where we end up... This was pre Hock though so confidence has grown.