Players will always perform better if they respect the coach, i don't mean any disrespect to either Dennis Betts or Paul Cullen but both have failed as head coaches previously.

Your own fans were questioning Dennis Betts as a head coach after some of your poor performances in the championship, thats hardly a good grounding to be a head coach in SL. Paul Cullen had a lot of huge resources available to him at Warrington including a brand new stadium and the backing of a multi millionaire businessman, he just couldn't get us to perform consistently well, our defence left a lot to be desired during that time and it looks like your fragile defence is going to be one of your biggest problems this year unless someone comes in and sorts it out.

Now compare the above to Brian Noble, he's achieved everything in the game honours wise, he's the most successful british SL coach in the game. If he speaks you listen, now if your a player what would you respect most, a team talk from Brian Noble or one from Dennis Betts ?

Its like with us at Warrington under Tony Smith, he basically got the same group of players that Paul Cullen had at his disposal with a couple of tweaks to win 2 challenge cup finals.

Steve O'Connor has took a massive gamble with Dennis Betts and Paul Cullen, personally i think its too big a gamble given there previous combined lack of experience and failure.

no, i didnt miss that. i did miss him the rest of the time though, except when he had one of several brain farts and commited defensive suicide - leaving ah van isolated and outnumbered. which was my point.

nobody was expecting to stroll in. As i have already said, its not defeat that worries me, its the manner of the defeat and obvious carry over of the same issues from last season, it does not bode well at all - regardless of the squad. yes, we came alive for 20 minutes at the end, when the game was already lost. its not being outperformed, its just not performing at all ourselves. i expect to be out performed, i dont expect the team to perform the way they have.

i think that you are all panicking a little bit too early!

yes you have injuries, but you have players to come back into your team too.

Widnes will win games this year (but i will admit, i have no widnes players in my dream team!)

Rob you are bang on with what you are saying and we all did not want Betts anyway.I know seems bad but I want all the players to turn on Betts as we need a decent coach.Yes we will still lose a lot but to see organisation and decent rugby I be happy.

To be fair we haven't won a competitive game since July and now lost 7 or 8 on the run. Patience with Betts was already wearing thin before the season started but most Widnes fans were willing to give him a chance. Now people want him out and I can understand why. Who we would bring in or who would even want to come to Widnes is another matter.

Noble is the obvious choice. Not cheap but Betts, Cullen and T O'Connor would probably go. He would appoint his own asst.
His player signings will improve the squad and his defensive nous will help reduce tries conceded.
S O'Connor will probably wait a couple of months before he makes those decisions but if you keep losing in the manner and scores that you are then he will have to act at some point early on in the season.
Best of Luck, we do need Widnes in SL. However you need to be competitive and at the moment you are not!