No!

If he doesn't like it here he can do one. We don't have to pay him then.

Cant we sack him on grounds of club misconduct or something? if Salford can get away with sacking Banister for pulling a handbrake turn in a car park then we can sack Wildbore for being a moaning t!t.

we can sack people for gross misconduct if needs be. Whether this falls under that category? Who knows but considering the nature of the business we're in and the 'crime' it might well do.

Should we sack him? I've opted for no.

Considering he doesn't want to be here I don't think he can be singled out for poor performances or lack of effort. Besides being a little ball greedy I don't see what he has done so wrong on the pitch. He's a hothead but in the past we've loved players that stand up for themselves!!

His mentality is questionable and I think it says more for the player that he hasn't expected such a reaction. Previously he might have been at a club where performances like last night were expected by other fans but we are Widnes!! We expect more and this might need explaining. Hell his real frustration should be those that run out alongside him and underperform.

Wildbore is a decent player, but if he doesn't want to play for Widnes so much he cry's like a bitch on Facebook, he can fook off for me. Tw4t!

He lost his place at fullback because of his temper. He punched a player while he was on the ground unable to defend himself. Unluckily for him, we also had a very good replacement in Yates. Yates played well and didn't deserve to lose his place.

An honest, strong minded, player with a bit of character would have taken that as a challenge and upped his game. That's what winners do. But his character is flawed. He preferred the easy option of blaming somebody else. Ultimately that makes him totally unsuited for a long term position at our club.

If he really feels this way he should have the balls to just resign and fook off, instead of bitching. If he doesn't do that he's nothing more than a crying tart.

He has talent but his attitude stinks, i can understand his frustration at being moved about in different positions but what does he do when he gets his chance at FB? start throwing punches and generally loses control. Posting comments on Facebook saying he wished he never signed up with us obviously is going to get a bad reaction from fans i mean come on what the hell do you expect?

If your reading this Loz either roll your sleeves up and prove to us that you can play well and show your talent or walk straight into Steve O'connors office when he's in and tell him you want out.
Your at a good club that's the biggest outside Super League it's up to you to make it work.

Wildbore in the bar after the game. www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/movie ... 65f62.html

Wildbore in the bar after the game. www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/movie ... 65f62.html

Theres hope yet www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/movie ... d0348.html

Theres hope yet www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/movie ... d0348.html

Because he is under contract at Widnes so until he is given permission to approach another club by Widnes he's unable to without breaching the RFL's Rules.

Right in contrast to this I have also sent message to Loz and he also replied but his message was actually very good.

So in order to provide some balance.. he mentions that the reason he has got so upset recently is that his little girl has started going on the messageboards and has obviously become very upset with some of the stuff that she has read about her dad. I can completely understand this..
From a playing perspective I personally don't understand why he has taken so much flak. Exactly what has he done that has been so bad??

He also goes on to say that no-one wants away from the club and that they are all there for the challenge.

I don't want to put the whole post on here but I was very impressed and my attitude is let's just get on with it. He seems like a really good guy in all honesty who wears his heart on his sleeve and I think people should just get off his back now.

Lets move on Widnes... we have a common goal.. lets get on with business.

Please dont sack him im sure he is really sorry.
I wonder if PC hijacked his Facebook site to try and get rid of him.

Pepe and VM...

I understand to an extent with what your saying.. but in all honesty can you really single Loz out for criticism for his performances. I've seen all games this year with the exception of Oldham (in which I believe he had a stinker) and Doncaster. In all other games I don't think that you could say he has been sulking about being played out of position or that he has underperformed.

It's hardly like he has thrown a wobbly like Smith about being played at Loose when Beswick had a stint at Hooker.. He hasn't simply decided he doesn't want to play and gone missing like Moule. He can hardly be put in the same bracket as Emilio and friends for not trying.

The facebook posts are unfortunate but I can to an extent understand why.. People were horrified by the reaction of some fans after the Halifax games..'I'd like to see them go and say those things to their faces'.. 'very brave of them to say it from the terraces' etc etc.. why then should we be surprised if the players were upset.

Another full time club where he gets a full time wage though?

You do realise Loz is part time dont you?

You do realise he was told he would only have to train once a week which is what is in his contract yet he is been asked to train twice or three times a week dont you?

He is not on a full time wage at all, far from it. He know he was wrong to say things on facebook but I reckon you would be a little fed up when you are trying to juggle work, training, a family and of course match day only to be played in a position you find difficult and then face abuse from fans of the club.

Loz is far from perfect but come on, does he deserve threads asking if he should be sacked etc?

No!

nice post and to keep this thread in the right direction it sounds as if he wanted to impress striaight from the start of the season but its not gone for him at the club. frustration maybe but I have seen email he received and the reply he gave on facebook .

My feeling are he has let a lot of people down and after all the flack he sees on here he`s let himself down big time and a learning curve to be smacked in his face.
His reply was taking the p1ss out of a loyal widnes fan and if TOC got hold of the reply he gave, Terry would hit the roof !!!!

Somethings very wrong at the club I just hope they fix it and get back on track.