oh well. Lets all just give up and suck on a shotgun then.
The whole 'dare to dream' thing passed you buy did it?

Unlike your good self, I have called time on supporting my club , it is my decision, not the clubs, they still believe what they are doing is for the best, and I hope they are successful

What gets me is when he called them bent owners only interested in money. But then complains we are at the bottom of the table. He doesn't want to pay extra to bring in bigger players, he thinks there is so much money to be made in league, and he offers no explanation.

Just a ranter and nothing more.

When did i mention i did'nt want to pay extra????

specifically, you didnt. but you have stated that 'others' wont. You also point out you do put your hand in your pocket. but if its all as pointless and bleak as you make out, why are bothering to buy tickets in the first place?

Because i've watched widnes for 38 years and not going to stop now and i
see more interest in football in this town than rugby,i hope i'm wrong and
mr o'connor get's the 7000 sh members he wants but i just don't see that
happening.

We were a gnats wing away from it last time we were in super league.

The fact is people like you with a negative attitude who writes the board off as in it for the money isn't doing us any favours at all. You've got no patience.

No way missed this in between all the posts, whats up bugman? Lost your appetite for carrots in your lobby?

I don't know how anyone can stop watching live Rugby League, moreover when it's played by your beloved club. Gotta fight the oppressive system from within Starbug lad.

"Larks' tongues. Otters' noses. Ocelot spleens ......................."

Bored with nothing tangible to play for, I remember back to the battles we,you and Oldham had back in 2001 , the challenges of Huddersfield and Salford, the atmosphere at the games, especially at Hilton Par

We dont even have the fun of battering you lot anymore, I'd had enough 12 months ago, then we hit the buffers and we lost the person filling the financial gap, I thought it would be a wake up call for the club and a new direction taken, but it seems they want to make the same mistakes again along with a whole load of new ones and I dont want to be around to see them

So go on, try and convince me to join you lot

I'm not opposed to P/R but what bothers me is that those in positions of influence never follow through and tell people just how it could be achieved.

I know from our short return to SL that our crowds will not support a team that has any real chance of challenging for the top spot, or even signing top players. It really is a different world since we were last here!

Certainly without hefty financial support or a massive crowd growth virtually no team in the Championship atm would stand a chance. But that may well be what those proposing P/R want. It enlivens the bottom of SL up a bit but doesn't threaten the grade A clubs who are there forever. For my money that is just as cynical as stopping P/R. Without a real opportunity to move up the SL you are really better off being the best in the Part Time Pro field tbh. Fev have taken this route with success, but their crowds haven't noticeably improved.

We, with SOC, are hopeful of a steady growth and lifting ourselves off the bottom over time. Cas,Salford, and others are struggling and will do for a while.

In my view SOC's approach, to aim for a business orientated club that is self financing, is the only stable solution. A money man such as Adam Pearson at Hull FC will throw cash about for some time but the club hangs on him not getting bored. Not good enough imo.

If we fail at SL level I reckon that no other club on the horizon atm will succeed.