I see your point, the squad is weak... however you dont think the results would be even slightly better with say, Wayne Bennett in charge? or any world class coach. Not saying you be in the GF but youd have a much better chance of being competitive

Depends, it's still the same players, unless your suggesting Lockyear as player/coach.

Widnes were busy in the transfer market and have many new faces, that'll take time.

It's a 3 year (minimum) plan - KEEP THE FAITH !!!
I miss Vikingman's banter on our Leyther board, is he depressed - or does he only troll Super League forum's now ??

Vikingman's gone. He now lives in Twitterland. Still struggling with Widnes performances and that unflappable Mr Betts.

VM, a twit? Never

All im saying is theres a reason clubs try to sign top class coaches, and Betts certainly isnt one. It will take time but a poor squad with an inexperienced coach doesnt look promising, with an experienced relatively successful man in charge theyd have a better chance

No thanks, unlike some I try to have some ' semblance ' of a normal non virtual life

It's great. Tha' can only type 140 characters per tweet. Stops people rambling on. Can you imagine Smokey on twitter?

Oi, bugger off you two. Go play round your own end - we're too busy being miserable round here!

You recruited poorly in the off season imo although I do accept it will take a while for players to gel. You were supposed to be after Lockyer but look at the dross you actually bought! If you had the money to afford Lockyer you could have attracted a better coach and better players than you did. There was no real marquee signing just mostly average players at average to poor SL clubs.

How much cap space do you have available? I suspect quite alot! Maybe a couple of loan signings are required?

Its always difficult for new clubs but if you actually have the money behind you that your board claim you should be doing alot better. I hope you do.

I wouldnt be surprised if your in a battle with london to appoint Brian Noble some time round easter!

Also something should be done to allow promoted clubs to sign players before the date in which clubs are officially allowed to talk to players. I think that would definitely help promoted clubs do alot better in there first season. Maybe even relax quota rules for the first 2 years. Give the new clubs a little boost to get them off the ground quicker!

Hopefully next season with a new coach and a couple of quality additions you will be able to compete a bit better.

Having watched the highlights of your game against KR, you'll be lucky to get a 1st win. That was the worst defence I think have seen at this level, it was non-existant. Lots of work to be done I'm afraid.

I don't think we're in a position to 'pick games' I must admit.

People will understandably say 'We should be looking to beat Wakey, Salford and London' etc etc but at the end of the day all of those sides will do the same. I am not 100% but I bet if you look at new clubs 'first wins' and wins throughout the season they'll be against clubs you wouldn't have expected them to beat etc.

It's important for us just to put 100% focus on getting better each week, getting a sound tactical base to work around every week (obviously the odd adjustments for certain opposition sides) and then a win will come and hopefully provide a spring board. We are too new a side to over criticize losses / performances (from a coaching point of view) and have to just try and grow together. Obviously we hoped to have 1 / 2 wins by now but we are we are. We have had the injury / visa issues but apart from the long term absecenties they should hopefully all be back in the next week or two and if we don't pick up anymore that will A) give us a stronger side and B) help increase competition for places as atm their are probably too many players guaranteed a spot by default. Especially in the backs.

I know there will be some fans who would think we could finish mid table like last time we grace superleague, but the game has moved on, what the team had was focus, drive, direction and ambition, if we don't win one game this season but learn to play as a team I would be happy, but to do that you need a good platform, and belief. I'm not sure all the team have that yet, hopefully the next four matches we will see that, and then we can focus and build, at the moment we don't need to win anything this year to stay up, but we do need to show we are trying 100% of every game, 100% commited as a team, with "One" focus, I don't think we are anywhere near there yet, and I do think we need to sort the men out from the boys (no age relation), they either need to put up or shut up, agree or disagree, commit or ship out, this is no easy ride and they know that, there should be no going through the motions or stars, I don't believe any particular player thinks this, but there is a lot of team bonding still to be done.

Rome wasn't built in a day, but it wasn't given three years to come good either. From individual players we have some good men, put it all together and who knows what we could do.