Yes.

And we used several players from that squad too. The main problem in bringing these through to cover injuries was that the reserves didn’t start playing until a couple of months after the start of the Championship season, so none of these players were initially match fit. Yet another RFL up!

No they wouldn’t.

Barrow fans have shown themselves to be massive hypocrites. Their club has used loan players – it doesn’t matter how many – they use them and they have needed them.

When you can also use 8 club-trained youngsters too, you can brag about it. Until then what Barrow are doing is far worse imo.

J20 was correct in highlighting the breathtaking hypocrisy and sheer ignorance of some of your fans.

Remember it was J20 who started this thread trying to be a smart @rse when he didn't know the facts. It is some of your fans who are the ignorant (and arrogant) ones.

I can't see how I'm ignorant to be honest. The facts and figures speak for themselves. Your season has been akin to a grand scale 'hokey-cokey' - players in, out, in, out. Ainscough being the perfect example. The system is bad for the player, unsettling for the squad and unfair on the player that gets dropped when the 'big time charlie' is available to play.

Injuries and recalls have all played their part. There is nothing to snipe at here. Like I said, we have used 8 club grown players. When your club can say that you may have something to get on your high horse about.

We have probably played too many of our youngsters too soon. This isn’t good for them and has leveled the learning curve they should be getting by playing along side a team with plenty of experienced players. The players we have brought in on DR are close to the step up, as has been shown with 4 of them being recalled to first team rugby in SL.

When you look at the reasons why we have used so many players, and put it in its true context, there is no cause for the sort of criticism which has been coming from some quarters. No-one at Widnes wanted it this way either.

Barrow have used both loan and DR players. They do not bother with a youth system and have no moral high ground to pontificate about Widnes’ use of such players.

Indeed Pepe. All this rent a squad nonsense was started by Barrow fans before they'd made any loan signings, the implication being that loans or dual reg signings are somehow not in the spirit of the game. But they've now got some, and all of a sudden its a competition over who has the most. Absolutely irrelevant. We're within the rules, and we have a successful academy who has provided for us. Barrow can say one of those things, but the other is a distant dream. We may not be able to say we always own our players fully, but at least we can say we serve the area properly.

Incorrect Featherstone Rovers have a second team, under 18 team (which functions under the name of Featherstone Lions) and an under 15's scholarship along with several superleague teams

However i do agree that all the bashing about your loans is uncalled for

I can't find the thread on the Barrow board criticising Widnes, nor do I have an issue with your squads origins. I think the rent-a-viking thing started as banter last season prior to the NRC when you had Hall, Pickersgill, Penny and another I can't remember (too may bangs on the head).

But just to clarify some points and keep things factual. We have 1 DR player in McGillvray, he was originally on month by month loan but Hudds preferred the DR arrangement to make him available for them as and when.

Barrow developed players used this season:
Nixon, Beech, Harrison, Mossop, McDermott, Butler, Larkin, Cairns, McGoff

Other locals in team not developed locally:
Broadbent - started at some dodgy club near Liverpool
Campbell - Wakefield

Released last 2 seasons:
Finch, Finch, Dutton, Pedley, Marshall, Kaighan, Carter.

We do develop players locally, however we concede that we do not have the funding or infrastructure that Widnes have to bring them through to this level in a lot of cases.

you are the only team running an u18's because the RFL will not allow any other team to do so

Amazing... I really need to hear this story.. c'mon then lets have the 'facts'!

The correct and factual terminology is 'we're the only Championship club allowed by the RFL to run a very impressive U18s'

Ok, thanks for the correction. Yay us.

I've had it on good authority that it is because the RFL 'hate' Leigh.

Any evidence of this whatsoever?

Enough for me thanks

So none then?

Your surrender is accepted.