Mick a good thing is most are retained from last year and we did start to gel more in the 2nd half of the season.We can not keep changing all the time, but a few quality additions and getting rid of dead wood is important.I think if we can sign 2 or 3 more of quality and lucky on injuries we could come about 9th.

Every player under the book, in every position has been quoted to sign for us on that site......

Well its the 1st of November and pre season has started and we have Kev Brown thats it, if were to progress we need another 2 players coming in (outside back and back row). Thankfully Salford are worse than us at the minute so that should hopefully see us dodge another wooden spoon.

On a different angle this is the first time in a looooooooooong while we've had a settled squad of players without loads of ins and outs so it could also benefit us.

Phil Joseph, released from Bulls, ?Widnes bound

Phil Joseph, released from Bulls, ?Widnes bound

What if hes found Guilty ?

Keith Mason?

widnes has been strongly linked to our con mika at hull kr, your welcome to him.

I would gladly take Mika and Mason.

Just need a centre then and were sorted.

Whilst I agree that Mika and Mason would be useful additions VM would you not agree that we need a "McShane" quality hooker or else we will lose some of the zip around the park that we had during his time with us. I am sure that White will be OK and is particularly dangerous near the line, but his distribution was nowhere near as sharp as McShane. I see that as a higher priority than any other position and the one area that we would have gone backwards in from last season if its not resolved.

There was a suggestion on TIW which could be an option - that is using Gore (beefed up ) as hooker. He certainly has the SH's eye for defensive gaps but may not be quick enough for SL at SH.

Friendlies could be a good place to try him out?

I like any other Widnes fan would love to see mcshane back but it isn't going to happen and there isn't any other quality hookers around so we'll have to stick with what we have. As suggested gore might be able to tackle that option depending on how Widnes want to utilise him.

Its a loss I agree but on the other hand Kevin brown at stand off is a much needed weapon.