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Quote: Redchemic "Which was sort of the point of my replies.

Nothing against Lucifer but just fed up of reading and hearing the same old thing. Slagging off at the match or on here is exactly the same counterproductive rubbish that will drive fans away, the same as poor performances do.

It ain't gonna get better overnight and we ain't gonna win a Grand Final any time soon. It's a long haul but if Betts goes today, it won't make a lot of difference for months or even to next season unless we can recruit class acts now - guess what - we ain't gonna get any class acts any time soon!'"



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I don't mind people having a pop in the aftermath that's what fans do! It's just when it drags on all week and get's to levels of people telling others not to bother going (WTF). Some people seem to think by reducing our fan support by them and their mates they are doing the club the world of good... ridiculous!

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It's worth pointing out that less than five years ago we didn't even have a club. Now we're in Super League. I'm quite happy with how things are going as it happens.

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4 games into the season and people running the club down! I just don't get it. Seriously,did these people expect much more this early cos I know I didn't. It's nobody's fault if better players were not available/didn't want to come here,we've seen some signs of improvement of late so let's stick with the team and we'll get there,may take a while but we WILL!

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Whats happened to bustinytinyballs or whatever her name is, dosent seem to post much these days. Was always good for a sound post...?

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Quote: Alex J "It's worth pointing out that less than five years ago we didn't even have a club. Now we're in Super League. I'm quite happy with how things are going as it happens.'"

This.
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Quote: No Lucifer "Believe it or not this how a lot of Widnes fans feel, unfortunately people like you can see little wrong.'"



Or do they?

There are also a lot who believe that SO'C and his team --- who got us back into SL, incidentally --- are heading in the right direction.

The fact that we have not won yet, and the manner of our losing against Wakefield and Huddersfield was shocking, should examine the improvement we showed in the second half against Salford and the way we played against Leeds.

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Quote: mickburkes boots "well its Good to know your not on your own and i like yourelf, been there through good and bad agree that this Once great club is a total embarresment from the top to the bottom dont think the relisation of the job in task ! I love widnes through and through but sorry this has to be said , Dont really think people on this forum relise how poor things are , ive posted on here before and been shot me down in the past but one things for sure this is just what i predicted last year so

Do you include SO'C?

The fact that you predicted a poor performance last year does not alter my belief that if we had won the first four matches you would have been saying that it is just a flash in the pan.

Don't think you are being shot down, but just disregarded as one of the few permanent doom and gloom brigade.

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Quote: No Lucifer "Just wondered how other Widnes fans feel about Widnes and the game in general.
After over 40 years of watching Widnes and RL I am slowly losing enthusiasm for Widnes and RL. I have not enjoyed going to the game for the last few seasons, but feel I have to go through loyalty.
However I feel SOC has made some massive mistakes, particularly in the choice of Betts and Cullen. We should have gone into SL with a coach with the correct experience and whom could attract the right players. As of now we have a coach whom is well out of his depth, together we a squad of very ordinary players, many who are injury prone.
How does the club seriously expect to attract new fans along with the current set up.
I cannot believe that people were taken in by the recent display against Leeds. Agreed it was full of enthusiasm, but very little skill. Our tries were not created by crafty half back play or dummy runners, pure luck with a bounce of the ball. Our tackling was again at times woeful, Leeds running through holes in our defensive line in exactly the same place numerous times. and this was a Leeds team who were just coasting through 80 minutes.
I know I am not alone in my feelings for the club as I have spoken to other Widnes supporters whom feel exactly the same way and are seriously considering why the continue to go to matches.
I know people will come on here and shoot me down ( not in the same manner as the terrible TIW forum ) but as I say these are the feelings of a number of supporters.'"


Maybe some of these feelings have been caused by SOC's 'We're not going into SL to make up the numbers' line but
a) I genuinely think that there wasn't the appreciation at the time of the difficulties in recruiting top quality players
b) that we are only a few weeks into a 3 year long project
c) that SOC will act if he doesn't think that the coach cuts the mustard.
People asked for a response against Leeds and that is what we got. Surprise surprise it wasn't the finished article but it was better and hopefully we will improve as the weeks go by. Losing Watts is a massive blow and must be like Hudds losing Brough, Cas losing Chase, Salford losing Holdsworth...
We have the basis of a SL squad now and I think we will add to it and improve in years two and three.
Fans that walk away are never lost for ever!!! they will soon flock back when there are more victories and they'll be going on about how great a fan they are singing 'Widnes til I die.'

This isn't 1990... we aren't coming off the back of a WCC and League Championship win, we haven't been adding the games best players to an already established league and cup winning side. We have been out of the top flight for 6 years and it may take more than a few weeks for us to begin to look like we truly belong in SL again from a playing perspective.

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A RL club is for life, not just Xmas

Steve O Connors only failing at the moment is showing loyalty, and ultimatly ' loyalty ' is a good trait to have, eventually he will make the hard decisions that every businessman and employer has to make, you are fortunate in that your club is strong enough for him to be able to do this

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Quote: Starbug "A RL club is for life, not just Xmas

Steve O Connors only failing at the moment is showing loyalty, and ultimatly ' loyalty ' is a good trait to have, eventually he will make the hard decisions that every businessman and employer has to make, you are fortunate in that your club is strong enough for him to be able to do this'"


Lets hope he makes that hard decision soon and rids us of Cullen and Betts. Really considering not
going again until they get the boot.
And I contribute to Stronghold, VIQI and Dreamticket.

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Quote: No Lucifer "Lets hope he makes that hard decision soon and rids us of Cullen and Betts. Really considering not
going again until they get the boot.
And I contribute to Stronghold, VIQI and Dreamticket.'"

Same here I am cancelling Stronghold.Betts and the team are clowns.

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All the work SoC has done over the last 5 years to get us into super league and all you can do to thank him is winge / moan / and stop going the game. eusa_naughty.gif

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Quote: OFFTHECUFF "Same here I am cancelling Stronghold.Betts and the team are clowns.'"

Cutting your nose off to spite your face?

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Quote: Old Viking "Do you include SO'C?

The fact that you predicted a poor performance last year does not alter my belief that if we had won the first four matches you would have been saying that it is just a flash in the pan.

Don't think you are being shot down, but just disregarded as one of the few permanent doom and gloom brigade.'"

Sorry pal yes ! Last time in superleague we had a great team and there was players out there to sign but money talks! And the saying you get what you pay for comes to mind s o c employed or made descisions about the coaching staff ! We struggled in national league so how was we ever going to compete in superlesgue ! And everybody on this forum would never believe with player quality would win 4 straight games possibly only oneself!

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