Funny how they think they'll be great as soon as they come up. Your only decent youngster is Jack Owens. Where is allhis other youth?? Every SL team has a few decent youngsters, some more than others, yet you try to be offhand with Bradford who bring in more youth than the majority of clubs? Mate if you (as Widnes) don't use your full quota, you WILL finish bottom, wel maybe above Crusaders and Quins. Maybe.

Okay then.

Out of the current list of first team squad members we have...

Paddy Flynn
Danny Hulme
Danny Craven
Shane Grady
Anthony Mullally [who just so happens to be decent enough to be on loan with Brisbane Broncos]
Jack Owens
Dave Houghton
Grant Gore
Chris Lunt

possibly more

Who have all featured at some point in our team this season. Thats 9 players who are all under the age of 22, in fact most are under the age of 20. I'd say they're pretty decent enough. You probably only know of Owens due to the Barrow game. So unless you've actually taken the time out to make the trip down to Widnes to watch our academy sides play, no he is not our "only decent youngster".

I'll also draw your attention to Saturday 2nd April 2011 when our "not so decent" youth beat yours 34-16. Not bad for a second tier youth set up with only one decent player?

Which is exactly what's wrong with our game right now, even just having that view point.

The point I was trying to get across is that yes you do bring a good amount of youngsters through BUT still feel the need to use up full quota's etc. That is a worry for the game as a whole.

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No of course not. We don't play in a slum for starters.

We will fill all 5 quota places and will have another 1 or 2 players who are here on residency rules. It's about establishing a foothold in SL and playing to the rules. Anything less puts you at a disadvantage.

The Vicar

Slander? Get a grip, this isn't Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney.

And I repeat. We will not be emulating you. I went to Bradford when we were in super league, a few times. You had everything on the pitch. Sure, it was highly reliant on imports, but what a team! Yet everything from the view to the crumbling terraces to the stands whereby your guest fans were open to the elements (and soaked) whilst only home fans seemed to be huddled under the covers made Bradford one of the most lamentable match day experiences in the whole league. Except when you were at Valley Parade, and I saw football stewards chucking fans down steps for daring to stand up at the seats.

Now, bring up the past all you want, but we're talking about the here and now. We're a team who is coming up, fresh, and we wont be emulating the dulls, because in the hear and now, you're rubbish in so many areas. You had it all and instead of investing in infrastructure and the future you didn't and so for years now you've been progressively getting worse. Worse on the pitch, lower attendences. You're so far out of the big four now it wont be long before you're thrown into the licensing demotion mire. You went all out this season by throwing season tickets at people, and what did you give them? Do you think they will be aching to buy them back at full price?

As for respecting "elders" get stuffed. You've had the fortune of being in the right place at the right time, you are no better (NO better) than us, Leigh, Fax, or that team you ripped off (Keighley). I hope widnes respect no one but the sport, same as every team out there. Any talk of "elders" is beyond ridiculous, this is a messageboard and you are a fan, not some cowl wearing crook carrying wise man. I'll respect you when you do something worthwhile, not before.

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What are you JBT some snot nosed up your own teenager? What a fool.

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I don't think we should be getting too big for our boots before we even get there (although I'm 51 years old and I still don't trust anyone who tells me to respect my elders!!).

We have no side in SL terms at the moment, and I don't know that any team has been put into Super league who has come from being an underachieving second-flight outfit. All the others actually won a trophy to get there. So it's uncharted territory and is going to be a huge ask to go from almost a start-up situation to contenders, it'll take three seasons at least.

Respect our SL elders?No chance of that from this supporter.It's only a RL competiton at the end of the day,not some royal garden party.It's still the first division to me with whistles and bells added on.This snobbery never used to prevail amongst RL fans and is totally out of character.Snobbery just doesn't fit in our game but it was born the day the first SL line up was announced back in 1995 and the haves stuck their noses in the air and looked upon the have nots,us peasants in the second division,as something on the soles of their shoes.It's pathetic.

I would just like to add WE ARE SUPERLEAGUE!!!!
There will be very little snobbery next season when The Mighty Vikings BRING THE PAIN!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHA, i forgot Widnes were going to come up and win the double. Where are the mighty Widnes in the championship (a whole league below Bradford) Oh yeah thats right below mid table in 6th position.

You bemoan our facilties, we have THE best training facilties in the league. Odsal's not the greatest but it serves purpose. Then you have the cheek to comment on low attendances, What was our attendance against Hull on Sunday...14k. thats 1k more than your entire capacity.

Nothing against Widnes, but makes me laugh when people start slating my club, when theirs isn't a patch on ours. FACT! We don't claim to be the biggest or best at the moment, but we're certainly bigger and better than a team 6th in the Championship

Lovely stuff, can we come and watch the games there instead because odsal is a heap!!!!!

Maybe the training facilities are too nice and the players are too busy relaxing on nice comfy chairs then actually getting the work done?

Before you have a pop Widnes had a similar thing with a 'club room' Inc Wii etc and eventually took all 'games' out of it!

Makes me question if you've actually been to Odsal. The home fans stand on the side opposite to the seating area. So the home fans are uncovered as well. If you want to go into the seating area at the stadium then you can do, subject to a small upgrade charge. There's no segregation at Odsal, you can stand, or for that matter sit, where you like



TBH it tends to be other teams bringing up the past to Bradford. About how great they were once upon a time. Yes, the Bulls have gotten worse over the past few years due to so woeful mis-management of off-field issues and these are not things that can be solved by waving a magic wand. However, the current board are a lot more focused and prudent and we no longer have a chairman who's main aim in life is getting one over on the chairman of a nearby club. And as you clearly point out, our board have moved to correct the problems at the club, such as introducing a novel and highly successful season ticket campaign. Out of the big 4? Well yes, we are. But so are Cas, Salford, Hull FC and Rovers. Leeds are only just limping into their spot. In fact, we're currently at a point where, stadium aside, we're in a fairly safe position in terms of licencing, so I wouldn't worry about our relegation JUST yet.

Oh and another point on the season ticket thing, they won't be full price again next year. This was said at the start of the year following the successful uptake of the offer.