Eh?

What might this stupid thing be, from which I am attempting to wiggle?


Yes, but then I always did. It was me that first mentioned this fact, if you remember?

It seems to be you that is confused about the meaning of the words Australian, New Zealander and antipodean and the distinction thereof.


See above.



OK. I don’t have problem with that. Just the ridiculous assumption that because we’ve had two New Zealand coaches, who have flopped, then it’s not worth bringing in an Aussie coach either because they are antipodean too.


I think it’s a bit early to decide one way or another. I personally just want what is best for Widnes in the long run, and won't base my opinion on some silly bias.



Of course.

What have you got against having an Aussie coach anyway?

The majority of clubs that have won SL grand Finals had Aussies in charge and our two failures in NL1 Grand Finals were against clubs with Aussie coaches, while we had a crap English coach.

Pepe, you are taking this very seriously. There is a time to stop digging a hole for yourself, as the more you dig the deeper it gets.

To start off, you said that Widnes has never had an Australian coach. Fact.

I said that Widnes had had an Antipodean coach. Fact.

The fact that the two coaches who were not British did not do that well does not mean that an Australian coach would not do that well, either. There were no implications in what was said, no hidden meanings.

I do not want an Australian Coach for the very simple reason that I think that Aussie coaches and even those from the Antipodes, have brought it some things that I feel that we do not want in the British game, lying on in the tackle etc, and I think that we have pandered to the Australian style of play by introducing the non-competitive scrum and not allowing players to play he ball to themselves.

What we do need is another South African Forward.

You’re the one who’s digging yourself into a hole, in trying to justify a statement which you now admit was as totally meaningless as I asserted in my reply to it.

Australian coaches cannot change the rules on their own. This is something only the governing body, in conjunction with clubs, referees, players and coaches can influence. Whether we like it, or not, the game over here mirrors the game in Australia. At the end of the day the sport requires continuity, otherwise we could not have an international scene and World Club Challenges would be pointless. We need to be playing the sport exactly the same way for that to work. Having SL full of English coaches wouldn’t change this in any way.

I want what is best for Widnes. If that means that the coach is an English or an Aussie, it matters little. But all evidence points to requiring an Aussie coach if you want to be successful. We have to be pragmatic. We can’t afford to live in a fantasy world of idealism. That sort of nonsense would kill us. This is not the 1950's anymore!

I made a factual statement.

You tried to read something into it.

If I had wanted to state that antipodean coaches were rubbish, I would have done. I didn't.

And I do know the difference between Australia, New Zealand and Tasmania, which together form the Antipodes.

I am also aware of the date, the decade, and the century.

I have now ended this discussion and your pointless nitpicking.

Hello Peter.

No they dont, every point yo0u care to choose in all three of those places is a distinct Antipode just like every other spot on earth

So you are saying that you have simply put forward a random fact, with no reference to what I had initially written about, concerning hiring an Aussie coach?

Here’s a random fact




Why, on Earth, write this if it is not?

If it doesn’t mean that it isn’t worth hiring an Aussie , because he will be an antipodean, just like Endacott, then it is a meaningless and pointless statement.

With this in mind, everything I have written has been reasoned, with explanations of my rationale on the subject. All we’ve had from you is a series of strange nostalgic twaddle based on the premise that, because we’ve had a New Zealand coach that didn’t work out, everyone from the Antipodes should be similarly discounted. As this is clearly utter nonsense, I made my reply.

If you didn’t mean this then, it is a pointless thing to say. Either way, you’re the one digging your self ever deeper into that whole. Eventually, if you insist on carrying this argument on, you will come out in the aforementioned antipodes. While you’re there, see if there’s any decent Aussie coaches around that wouldn't mind trying their hand in Super league, with Widnes next season.


Enjoy the game and mind how you go.

I know you both think you have a point but you could save us any further crap by using the personal message function to continue your ing contest.

Whatever you say, boss!

I am moderator material.

time for a group hug

Are you still convinced that Denis Betts is the coach to take you forward ?

If he can't the get results in the division that your in now then how do you expect him to get the results in SL ?

Your recruitment is going to be vital for SL and i'm not sure that the coach and those advising him in team affairs are the right ones to take you forward.

Not convinced at all chief. In fact I think he very much isn't. This was the right time to find out, but we need a man with more experience for SL.