Jimbo...

Thanks for your psychoanalysis of the use of emoticons within a post. Interesting point and I await the paper you've undoubtedly submitted on the matter within Psychology Journal.
On the match report thing... you wanted me to "point out a report ... that says we lost a game unfairly." I think I adequately did this. Presumably we both agree on that. Job done then...
I also liked your assertion about.." The guy that writes them is one of the best match writers on the internet in terms of fair reporting"... I agree his claims that the independant time keeper playing extra time to allow Widnes to score is about as fair and unbiased as you can get. Just the sort of material you want on an Official match report.

Onto your other drivel now... where did I say that Varkulis deserved to go unpunished.... At the top of my post I said that the incident was correct to be put on report and that he was deservedly up in front of the panel!!!! That line doesn't sound an awful lot like I am saying that Varkulis was in the right. You do not suggest that someone is deservedly up in front of the panel if you think they are completely innocent. I have admitted that it had the potential to be a bad tackle. Hardly the actions of someone supposedly so biased...

However... as everyone.. (with the exception of you) has stated Varkulis then went to some lengths to make sure that the player was not hurt. Campbell then tried to make out that he had suffered a neck injury in the tackle.

You're fighting a losing battle on this one. Time to accept you're in the minority and ship out.
As for the limited brain power remark... I am trully an example of an idiot that has thrived then and if my stupidity has helped me to achieve everything I have then I'm not complaining.

That would just make the whole thing worse, Cullen has gone loopy, that isn't going to sort out any problems in the camp, it's just going to lower morale.

Ok. To sum up and put an end to this, can you provide evidence that Campbell was NOT in some way injured by the tackle, and did not suffer any form of winding, which would have required three or four minutes of recovery time at the most?
Did he appear to you in the crowd and profess to you that he had suffered a neck injury? I think not. I never saw him clutching at his neck in agony. Not once. So he 'tried to make out he had suffered a neck injury'. Did he?
As for being in a minority, I'd like to point out that most of your fellow fans on this thread were not as quick as you to admonish my clubs player as a cheat, instead opting to state more rationally that he 'might' have been feigning injury. Indeed, one Widnes fan who was sat close to the incident even ridicules your claim that Varkulis 'placed' Campbell on the floor like a 'baby'. I suppose he is fibbing just to back me up?
And yes, you are stupid. Just as stupid as the fans who were booing Campbell from the second the referee blew up for the penalty.
As for the match reports, please find me another that blames the referee/officials for a defeat. You claimed that 'every' report blamed the officials. You only provided one. If you want to make a sweeping generalisation that we are a club that blames all our losses on the the match officials, based on one match report, then you really are stupid.

Just remembered it!

Daniel Frame

He regularly feigned injury. It used to wind me up summat naughty that.

Frame was a very good player, massive work rate from him and was probably our most consistent player through the SL era for us. Up there with Relfy in terms of a tough no nonsense type of player.


Anyway.................getting back to Varks, he was initially going about the tackle in a very illegal way but then dropped the player to the ground on his back 'softly' i would put it. Campbell then played the old 'dead man' on the floor for a couple of minutes until the ref put the incident on report. Then praise the lord he got up faster than littlerich in an Abi Titmuss porn show.

Not sure what this Jim dude from Batley is chatting.

I watched Varks for two years at Fax and he NEVER engaged in any dirty play. He was a real honest player and wasn't interested in cheap biff. That said, what he did on Sunday was an absolute disgrace. I wasn't there and didn't see the incident but it looked bloody awful. We can't tolerate people like this in the game.

5 matches I think.

lol littlerich i think you was there.. you just dont want any 'fax fans to find out

Jim,
Things are a lot clearer now. I have diagnosed your condition. At first I was puzzled but then it became clear you literally take everyone for their absolute word. When I said that Varks put him down like a sleeping baby you actually believed that through some sort of act of transmogrification Campbell actually became a sleeping baby and the pitch appeared before all our eyes as the base of a pram.
As for you missing the clutching of his neck... you have never seen a biased report on your website. I have shown you one. You now seem to be backing down from the fact that Varkulis tackled Campbell in a WWF type tackle. It appears that you are conceding ground all over the place and your powers of observation are shaky at best.
As for arguing that Campbell wasn't faking an injury he was merely feigning one.... Terrific. Absolutely terrific. You are right, these are poles apart. Faking or feigning it still means he was pretending to be injured when he wasn't and that has the sole purpose of cheating. The reason that everyone booed Campbell is because more than 2,000 people watched the incident and were disgusted with the play acting of Campbell in an attempt to have Varkulis sent off. He didn't tell me personally that he wasn't injured but Ronaldo never told everyone in the world that he wasn't injured when he used to hit the deck and yet people someone strangely knew. Mainly because of the type of tackle and the players immediate reaction following the incident.
I respect the opinion of my fellow fan who said that he was put down a little more roughly than I suggested. I was sat in the North Stand on the half way line so was near to the incident but it's interesting that he claims the player was not injured in anyway!! So here is a person whose opinion you trust and yet he is another person who believes he was faking it and acknowledges that Varkulis shifted the player so as not to drop him on his head and cause him harm.
As for the stupid comments... keep them coming. I can't technically call you stupid with it being biological in your case but your vitriolic lambasting is amusing to me.
As for the match reports I noticed that these have, for the vast majority, been removed from the site... presumably out of embarrassment. The fact remains. You said I wouldn't find one.. I found one straight away. You made a challenge. I was a match for it.
This whole thread was you trying to argue that Varkulis dropped Campbell on his head and that Campbell did not fake his injury. Looks fairly conclusive that I have the support on this one. Forgive me for no longer wishing to enter into your petulant little world.
I hope you are true to your word and decide to remain away from this thread.
More emoticons there... good luck in your quest to notify all emoticon users that they are deficient brain wise.

Exactly my friend!

I can't believe any of you are defending what was a horrendous tackle.. He should have walked there and then for it.. Put down softly? Your'e having a laugh he dropped him!!! He should at least get a match ban for that.. JC was not badly injured but was winded... Even Paul Cullen was disgusted and apologised across to Joe Berry on the touchline about it...

After having looked at the video, absolutely no way was Campbell put down on his head. Varks grabbed him initially around his middle and lifted, then Campbell appears to 'curl up into a ball' and then extends his legs once he is in the air, this gives the image of Varks with him sort of over his shoulder, however, he then puts him to the floor in a way no worse than many tackles I've seen. I'm not saying it was legal as he was clearly lifted past the horizontal, but I think Campbells own efforts contributed to this, but I also think he milked the situation for all it was worth. Watched at normal speed it does look suspicious, however in slo-mo it becomes clear it was not malicious IMO.

THE HOOF

I wasn't aware that there was a video Hoof.. but thanks for that.
I think everyone, including our coach, has fairly condemned the tackle as a bad one. There is no doubt that he should be up in front of the panel for them to look at.
I do think though that as you suggested it is important to look at the way that Varks dealt with a potentially dangerous situation (that he had put himself and the other player in).

Case Number ON/385/10
Name Richard Varkulis
Club Widnes
Shirt Number 3
Match Widnes v Batley
Competition Championship
Date 23/05/10
Incident considered Dangerous tackle in 28th minute (Campbell)
Decision Charge
Details of Charge / Reason for NF Law: 15.1(d) Detail: Player uses a dangerous throw Grade: C
Range of Recommended Sanctions in relation to Charged Grade* 2-3

Date of Disciplinary Committee 02/06/10
Evidence provided

He did it more than once when we played them. He's clearly a big girl.